4 Point Harness Mounting

[welshpug 1,657]

so 22st people should be banned from 205's?

[Cameron 16]

So people should mount both front and rear seatbelts off the same points?

 

Or if people do, should they then weigh their rear seat passengers to make sure their combined weight isn't over the "limit" of what their bodged belt installation could take? Am I the only one here with some f***ing common sense, seriously!?

[harryskid 193]

so 22st people should be banned from 205's?

 

No don,t be silly put them o a "crash diet"

[Cameron 16]

Ouch..

[Karl 15 1 Cars]

thanks for your help guys lol been funny readin ya argument lol but still unsure haha

[Cameron 16]

Welcome to 205 Drivers!

[Baz 421]

Forgot about this! (intentionally tbh)

 

Am I the only one here with some f***ing common sense, seriously!?

 

Of course, you're the only one with an engineering degree after all.

 

Either that or you refuse to read something properly, continually arguing with yourself on a point that doesn't exist.

 

I'd still rather mount seatbelts at the seatbelt mounting points. I was intentionally missing your point because of course i don't know that for fact, again this proves how you missed my point because you either haven't read what i said correctly, or just don't understand;

 

One person could weigh as much as 2 or even 3.

 

This is still fact. If you're going to state that someone shouldn't mount two seatbelts to one set of rear seatbelt mounts, i'd agree generally, but you can't say that without specifying because the load from 2 people may well be LESS than one big person.

 

It really isn't rocket science and essentially means FA, yet you continue arguing it when i really couldn't care, it was a flippant comment meant to point out the generic un-thought out properties of yours. No more to it than that!

 

I agree with you 100%, i don't think we should advise people to mount their harnesses on the rear seatbelt mount points when still carrying rear passengers, especially the rear-most ones on the C-pillar as i think you may be thinking about, but nobody, including myself has advised that.

 

Sometimes you really need to read something as it's written before jumping the gun.

[Liquid_106 97 1 Cars]

 

[Cameron 16]

Ok so you could stick an elephant in the front seat and it'd be ok? I mean if the seatbelts have been designed to restrain one occupant there must be no limit to the load they can take, as long as it's just for one person!

 

s*it logic, makes no sense whatsoever. You don't need to have an engineering degree to know that fitting 2 people's seatbelts on to the mounts designed for one is a f***ing stupid idea. I don't care that you could find 2 people who's weights combine to that of one, that isn't the point as it's just unrealistic. Say the belts were capable of restraining an 18st person, what if you you weighed 12st? Are you going to limit your rear seat passengers to children? What if your mate who weighs 12st wants to get in the back? It's retarded, Baz, whatever way you look at it. It's a stupid idea and you're an idiot for even suggesting that it's feasible. It's not feasible, it's retarded, it won't work, it's unsafe. Do I need to go on?

 

Just let it go.

 

[Paul_13 212 1 Cars]

Peugeot will design the mounting points to take way more than what you say is capable, a 30(+)st man will be within it's limits.

Also it wont be just 1 mount that takes all the stress. It will be shared between the mounts. Also the harness will have some form of elasticity.

 

If your that worried, mock it up on CAD and prove us all wrong. Using stress test results from development by Peugeot, individual component limits, harness limits.

 

If it wasn't safe, Peugeot wouldn't put it into production.

 

I vouch for the roof being stronger than what many believe and you've got to do some serious damaged directly on the roof to make if cave in.

When I crashed mine the standard seat recliner had broken instantly and had snapped off it's seat mounts. What use is the seat if it's flopping about and guess what, seat belt mounting points were still intact, despite the floor pan being up near the steering wheel.

 

The mount stayed in place and didnt let go on all 3 mounting points. Now 115 mph into ten trees wasn't enough to break them I weighed at the time about 15 1/2 stone. I say they are more than adequate and mounting the front harnesses on the rear mounts shouldn't be a problem.

 

Yes mounting the harnesses in the rear isn't safe by the PC brigade but each to their own.

Edited December 5, 2011 by Paul_13

[Cameron 16]

Am I saying the seatbelt mounting points aren't safe for one person? No.

 

Am I saying they aren't safe for 2 people? Yes.

 

Why am I saying this? 2 reasons:

Reason 1 - while the mounting points were designed to restrain an adult human, they weren't designed to restrain 2, so by definition it's unsafe.

Reason 2 - the rear seat passenger will be surrounded by the shoulder harnesses for the front passenger, risking injury.

 

THE POINT: Just one of these reasons is enough for it to be a bad idea.

 

If you feel like arguing some more, copy and paste the above before and after your reply and you can keep this argument going round in circles for the rest of time; I've said all I need to say to prove my points. If you want to do the maths to prove me wrong be my guest. Waste as much time as you want on it, post your reply, then refer yourself to THE POINT above.

[Baz 421]

Just let it go.

 

 

My inferiority complex just isn't as good as yours.

[Cameron 16]

My inferiority complex just isn't as good as yours.

 

At least you've run out of idiotic and unsafe "advice" to give, and have moved on to insults. My work here is done.

[Paul_13 212 1 Cars]

Reason 1 - while the mounting points were designed to restrain an adult human, they weren't designed to restrain 2, so by definition it's unsafe.

 

 

That's bollocks

Did you read what I wrote?

 

Peugeot will design the mounting points to take way more than what you say is capable, a 30(+)st man will be within it's limits.

Also it wont be just 1 mount that takes all the stress. It will be shared between the mounts. Also the harness will have some form of elasticity.

 

Second point, edit. hang on Baz mounted his out the way of the face anyway on the rear lower seatbelt mount near the 1/4. So harnesses wouldn't be in your face.

Edited December 5, 2011 by Paul_13

[Paul_13 212 1 Cars]

At least you've run out of idiotic and unsafe "advice" to give

 

People do things different ways and if it's safe by MSA/FIA regs that's hardly unsafe.

 

Your the one getting in a huff. Calm down

 

THE POINT: I'm an engineering i'm right, your wrong. Theory rules, practical drools

Edited December 5, 2011 by Paul_13

[Cameron 16]

Am I saying the seatbelt mounting points aren't safe for one person? No.

 

Am I saying they aren't safe for 2 people? Yes.

 

Why am I saying this? 2 reasons:

Reason 1 - while the mounting points were designed to restrain an adult human, they weren't designed to restrain 2, so by definition it's unsafe.

Reason 2 - the rear seat passenger will be surrounded by the shoulder harnesses for the front passenger, risking injury.

 

THE POINT: Just one of these reasons is enough for it to be a bad idea.

 

If you feel like arguing some more, copy and paste the above before and after your reply and you can keep this argument going round in circles for the rest of time; I've said all I need to say to prove my points. If you want to do the maths to prove me wrong be my guest. Waste as much time as you want on it, post your reply, then refer yourself to THE POINT above.

[Baz 421]

I'm actually almost pitying you now, when i thought you were a pretty astute guy! I'm now the one that's being insulting? Wind your neck in!! All i've done for the last 6 pages is wind you up basically. All this wouldn't have happened if you had READ the thread properly before you well and truly got your knickers in a twist.

 

 

 

I'm not even sure you even know what an argument is. Either that or you've massively misconstrued this whole thread, you're the one that's going round in circles, because i made a light-hearted comment in jest of the non-specific statement you made. I really don't care that you keep proving the same point, i'm just finding immense childish fun in winding you up about it.

 

Again; Nobody's arguing with you and nobody's stated or advised all the things you're banging on about. Otherwise do you not think you'd have more people stepping in and siding with you? Get a grip.

 

Reason 2 is also bollocks, which you'd know if you read the thread properly but you clearly haven't and are too damn stubborn to do so, despite being advised to!

 

Not one person has mentioned, stated or advised mounting the harness in the most rear-ward (C-pillar) belt mount points so this 'argument' you're having with yourself is void. I certainly haven't anyway, so i've always ignored it.

 

Can i just point out too that you've actually made absolutely bugger all conducive replies to this topic so far, barely sticking to the originally asked question, you certainly haven't answered it anyway, instead basically condemned every other reply.

 

Education is brilliant, but sometimes you'd do well to remember that some things just can't be taught.

 

 

There is no 'correct' answer, it's always something that is going to be opposed by others. Hell, i don't particularly like the fact that my car is like it is (which i still don't think you have a clue about despite you seeing it on many occasions and it's outlaid exactly in my first reply!), but i don't have much choice. I have only once in a blue moon ever had to have someone in the rear seat behind me for a very short journey, and even then they're not garrotted by my harnesses, neither would they be in an accident because my harnesses are nowhere near their head, neck or face and my harnesses are not mounted wholly in the rear seatbelt mounts at all. I'd certainly sooner put myself in that position compared to your car that was frankly the laughing stock of 'that' 'Ring trip. I really don't mean to be horrible, but when your car is falling apart around you and everyone else you're with doesn't even open their bonnet on the whole trip, should speak volumes. Bad luck or not.

 

If this is still not acceptable by your standards, WTF are you going to do about it besides bitch and whinge and argue that YOU think it's wrong, i've already said to a point that i agree with you and i haven't even advised anyone to do the same. Why can't you just stop being an obstinate prat, wind your bloody neck in and get on with your life??

 

Or are you still of the mental age where you just can't let something go and always have to have the last word?

 

I really couldn't care, have the last word, it's VERY clear who's being the moron here.

[Cameron 16]

Hahaha wow you really get your panties in a bunch sometimes, don't you!

 

Go back an read the thread, see how your arguments have changed while you desperately try and weasel out of being wrong, it's actually hilarious. Anywho, seeing as personal insults seem to be your last resort when losing an argument I'll take that last post as one big pathetic admission of me being right.

 

Thank you and goodnight!

[Anthony 1,003]

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