New Mot Manual Draft

[jackherer 543]

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MOT%20Inspection%20Manual.pdf

 

The first thing I noticed that affects some of us is in the power steering section, running a PAS rack with no assistance seems to have gone from not allowed to allowed or a grey area at least:

 

If power steering is optional fitment on the vehicle but has been disconnected in such a way that there is no adverse effect on the steering, that is not a Reason for Rejection. It may be necessary to verify this by road testing.

 

So if you put a lot of pressure in the front tyres so the tester can steer it on a test drive easily enough it should pass...

 

There is still a reason for rejection that covers removed PAS but it seems to apply to cars that were only available with PAS so 205 GTIs should now be OK...

 

a. Power steering malfunctioning or inoperative or evidence that power assistance has been removed or disconnected when it is known that power steering is standard on the vehicle

[pug_ham 244 3 Cars]

That'll make a nice bedtime read but handy to know they can't failt a 205 GTI with the PAS rack conversion just because they want to.

 

I've never been questioned but the person who tests my cars has an F reg 1.6 GTI without APS so I doubt he'll notice a difference in weight. I think I might have even mentioned it tbh.

 

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[Leon 24]

The wording on the HID section is interesting too.

[ORB 227 1 Cars]

The new mot certificates are rubbish too. Plain bit of A4 paper!

 

My three year old could forge one of them!

[jackherer 543]

I heard about the new certificates, apparently it is now just a receipt for the transaction and if you buy a car you need to use the web or phone to check its genuine. A friend of mine runs an MOT centre and he tells me they now have to supply the plain paper themselves and it is just a money saving exercise that transfers the cost to him.

 

Battery clamp security and cabling will be part of the new test, I had heard rumours the entire wiring loom would be tested for condition and security but it looks like it is just the main power cable.

 

Engine mounts are going to be tested, good news for Stew @ BBM

 

Overall it seems pretty reasonable, however there is going to be a period of readjustment for testers and some might be a bit over zealous on new things until the interpretations of the rules are nailed down.

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

You can see the amount of 06's with Airbag's being scrapped, or there's a nice market for a timer box to be fitted to make it look like the systems are working

[205_sunderland 4]

I heard someone say that they were looking at basically banning modifications to new cars for MOT, is this true?

[welshpug 1,657]

The new mot certificates are rubbish too. Plain bit of A4 paper!

 

My three year old could forge one of them!

 

but could he hack the VOSA database and change the records?..... doesn't matter what the piece of paper says, if the computer says no.....

[pug_ham 244 3 Cars]

I thought the new MOT certificates were still going to look 99% similar to what used now but there is now a seperate section for any advisories issued instead of a seperate sheet so a seller can't magically lose it whenthey come to sell the car?

 

g

[brumster 135 1 Cars]

The new one really is just a plain black/white printout on the paper the MOT test centre happen to stick it on; got the Pug done on day 1 of the new process - was quite surprised with what I was given! It would be massively easy to make a fraudulent paper version, hence (as said above) I would assume the only proper way to verify a car has an MOT is to check online against the database.

[welshpug 1,657]

exactly, its not so much a certificate than a receipt for your records.

[chipstick 382 1 Cars]

As above. It is just a receipt.

 

I got my MOT at the weekend, and was disappointed to have lost out on the free sticker you used to get

 

It now states on there you can get a text reminder of your renewel date for £1.50.

 

It's the same old story as the new V5C's. They now state in big letters that the forms should be checked for authenticity.

 

They should put a 'Q reader barcode thingy' on the MOT's and V5C's so that a perspective buyer can scan it in a heartbeat and be presented with a webpage stating the legal standing.

[SurGie 54]

So for those people that dont use computers or have no access etc, what do they do ? Buy cars with fake receipts ? I dont want to pay for a mot and only get a crappy receipt

 

The bit where the advisories are on the same page is a good upgrade, i dont like how you dont get a nice neat pro looking bit of MOT paper, cheap, very cheap. I bet the mot fee will still go upwards.

[welshpug 1,657]

ever heard of the old dognbone?

 

[SurGie 54]

Whats that then

 

Iv not seen the new one yet and i dont like it.

[swordfish210 20]

So for those people that dont use computers or have no access etc, what do they do ? Buy cars with fake receipts ? I dont want to pay for a mot and only get a crappy receipt

 

The bit where the advisories are on the same page is a good upgrade, i dont like how you dont get a nice neat pro looking bit of MOT paper, cheap, very cheap. I bet the mot fee will still go upwards.

 

Everyone has access to a computer, as much as they may like to think they don't they really do.

 

I like the section with the advisories on too, i got sick of people saying "yeah, must have lost that bit after the last MOT"...more like it had 16 advisories and now i have to look for them all before i give you any money.

[SurGie 54]

I was thinking of the older generation thats never used a computer, i was never into them myself until 2007 when we got broadband, i was only into console computers.

[notamondayfan 44]

The first thing I noticed that affects some of us is in the power steering section, running a PAS rack with no assistance seems to have gone from not allowed to allowed or a grey area at least:

 

When I last MOT'd my 205 (around 3 years ago) with a PAS rack, but no assistance, it was just noted in the advisories as something like "none standard steering rack". Maybe I was just lucky.

[chipstick 382 1 Cars]

So for those people that dont use computers or have no access etc, what do they do ? Buy cars with fake receipts ? I dont want to pay for a mot and only get a crappy receipt

 

The bit where the advisories are on the same page is a good upgrade, i dont like how you dont get a nice neat pro looking bit of MOT paper, cheap, very cheap. I bet the mot fee will still go upwards.

 

Victor Meldrew?

 

You are still getting an MOT, just not the nice paperwork you used to.

 

The fee is bound to go upwards. It is also worth noting that the £54.50 IIRC, is a guideline currently. Some garages only charge over half that to get the punters in, as the actual MOT cost is a pound or so and the remainder made up of the labour charge the particular garage finds appropriate.

 

Everything is going digital. Effectively it makes it easier to be legal quickly. You can get your MOT printed, and then pop over the road to the PO and it will be aready on the system.

 

I'm glad they changed the law in 2010 making printed Insurance documents a legal form of proof. Gone are the days of insuring a car, and then waiting for the covernote to arrive before going to the PO.

 

I still go the PO for tax though, as I don't like driving around with 'tax in post' when using a new car.

[welshpug 1,657]

I was thinking of the older generation thats never used a computer, i was never into them myself until 2007 when we got broadband, i was only into console computers.

 

then you just get on the phone to them, oh wait, you haven't one of then either?

[Tom Fenton 1,541]

I've just had a look through, interestingly the bit about HID headlamps, I thought that any car with HID's had to have washers and self levelling, and that both should be tested. However reading through the self levelling and washers bit is only tested if fitted. So basically if you put a HID kit in retro fit, they will only test what is there.

[pug_ham 244 3 Cars]

The new one really is just a plain black/white printout on the paper the MOT test centre happen to stick it on

OK, when I saw the proposed new style sheets it was like I mentioned in my previous reply, same green & white as previously but with an added box for the advisories.

 

I thought I was going to get one when I tested my 306 in October but I still got the old style VT20.

 

Hopefully by next year they'll have sorted something out & give you a proper test certificate.

 

g

[welshpug 1,657]

I've just had a look through, interestingly the bit about HID headlamps, I thought that any car with HID's had to have washers and self levelling, and that both should be tested. However reading through the self levelling and washers bit is only tested if fitted. So basically if you put a HID kit in retro fit, they will only test what is there.

 

Does it specifically mention HID's and self levelling? Many cars have self levelling systems but not HID's so that may be a separate part of it, like citroen's, or volvo's with their expensive rear dampers.

[jackherer 543]

When I last MOT'd my 205 (around 3 years ago) with a PAS rack, but no assistance, it was just noted in the advisories as something like "none standard steering rack". Maybe I was just lucky.

 

Testers use pass and advise to cover themselves for things they are not sure about. He should have failed it if he spotted it and figured out what it was but it sounds like he wasn't sure.

[jackherer 543]

I've just had a look through, interestingly the bit about HID headlamps, I thought that any car with HID's had to have washers and self levelling, and that both should be tested. However reading through the self levelling and washers bit is only tested if fitted. So basically if you put a HID kit in retro fit, they will only test what is there.

 

That doesn't necessarily mean they are legal, the MOT test isn't the same as Construction & Use regs. Prior to this new draft of the MOT it used to be possible to pass an MOT with a loose battery clamp then get prosecuted by the police for dangerous condition of vehicle on the same day, I know because it happened to me.