Applying For A Log Book Without The Vin?

[peter 20]

I have an autocross car that used to be on the road with v5 and reg plate. The body has been cut up alot for the cage etc and the vin plate has gone and i cannot find a log book or even an old mot so i cant apply for a new log book.

 

Any ideas??

[Anthony 1,003]

I might be wrong, but without a VIN isn't it no longer road legal? I'm pretty sure that it's an MOT failure anyway.

[Baz 421]

AFAIK, you're buggered for that particular car.

 

I wouldn't for a minute condone it or suggest such a thing on a public forum, but in years gone by, for competition vehicles etc, people just go and acquire another ID - chassis number, V5...

[m_attt 31 1 Cars]

re register it on a q plate

[peter 20]

looks like ill have to find the v5 or mot then, but its probly been thrown out.

 

As for a q plate that would need a sva test witch is costly and the car may never pass!

 

how do you go about re-shelling a car?

[Baz 421]

It works on a points system, all covered here;

 

Specific enquiries regarding the

procedures or documentation required must be directed to the DVLA Local

Office where the application will be made.

 

Registering Rebuilt, Radically Altered Vehicles and Kit Cars

Before a vehicle is used or kept on the public road it must to be properly

licensed and registered. When a vehicle is first registered, the Driver and

Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) allocates a registration mark which has to

be properly displayed and this remains with the vehicle until it is broken

up, destroyed, permanently exported or transferred to another vehicle in

what is known as a "cherished transfer."

 

Sometimes, however, a vehicle needs to be rebuilt and this can call the

identity of the vehicle into question. Is it the original which has simply

been repaired or have so many new or different parts been used in the

rebuilding process that the original vehicle has been effectively broken up?

In allocating a registration mark to a rebuilt vehicle, the Agency's main

interest is to establish whether or not the vehicle is newly constructed

with no previously registered identity (in the present form). Vehicles,

which have been substantially rebuilt, need to be examined by one of the

DVLA Local Offices. NB A Vehicle Identity Check (VIC) will apply to those

vehicles notified to the DVLA as being written off on or after 7 April 2003.

For information please refer to INF133 available from the Vehicle Operator

Services Agency (VOSA). Information is also available from the VOSA Website

www.vosa.gov.uk.

 

Any vehicle, which has failed VIC, will not be entitled to retain its

original registration mark, DVLA Local Office will allocate a 'Q'

registration mark and an Enhanced Single Vehicle Approval (ESVA)/ Single

Vehicle Approval (SVA)/ Motorcycle Single Vehicle Approval (MSVA)

certificate will be required.

 

If however, a VIC application is rejected by VOSA, DVLA Local Office will

need to inspect the vehicle in order to allocate an alternative registration

mark. ESVA/SVA/MSVA will be required.

 

A. Vehicles that have been rebuilt using a mix of new/used parts.

In order to retain the original registration mark:

 

· Cars and Car-Derived Vans must use:

 

The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and

chassis as one unit - monocoque); or

A new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the

original supported by evidence from the dealer/manufacturer (e.g. receipt)

And two other major components from the original vehicle - see list below

· Suspension (front & back)

· Axles (both)

· Transmission

· Steering Assembly

· Engine

 

If a second-hand chassis/monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must pass

a ESVA/SVA test after which a "Q" prefix registration number will be

allocated.

 

N.B Vehicle Identification Check

 

From 7th April 2003, all cars and some tricycles (e.g. Robin Reliant) that

are written off by an insurance company or declared scrapped by their owners

due to accident damage will have to be notified to DVLA.

 

VIC has been introduced to deter criminals from disguising stolen cars with

the identity of written off or scrapped ones. The check is designed to help

confirm that the vehicle being returned to the road has been repaired

following accident damage and has not been stolen.

 

For further information contact the Vehicle Operator Services Agency Website

on www.vosa.gov.uk.

 

o Motorcycles must use:

 

· Unmodified Frame (original or new)

 

And two other major components from the original vehicle

 

· Forks

· Wheels

· Engine/gearbox

 

If a second-hand frame is used the vehicle must pass a Motorcycle Single

Vehicle Approval (MSVA) test after which a 'Q' prefix registration number

will be allocated.

 

 

B. Radically Altered Vehicles

 

This covers vehicles which are substantially altered from their original

specification, but which are not kit conversions.

In these cases the vehicle components used from the original vehicle will be

given a numerical value and, in order to retain the original registration

mark the vehicle must score eight or more points.

If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or

altered monocoque bodyshell is used an ESVA/SVA/MSVA certificate will be

required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will

be allocated.

 

The following values will be allocated to the major components used:

 

Points

 

Chassis/body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque)* (original or

new) = 5

Suspension = 2

Axles = 2

Transmission = 2

Steering Assembly = 2

Engine = 1

 

*Direct replacement from the manufactures

 

NB. Where there is evidence that two vehicles have been welded together to

form one (i.e. 'Cut and Shut') a 'Q' mark will be allocated. ESVA/SVA/MSVA

will be required.

 

Vehicle Identification Number

 

This is a legal requirement for all vehicles used on the public highway to

carry a Vehicle Identity Number (VIN). This may be lost when a vehicle is

substantially rebuilt, particularly in the case of kit vehicles where the

chassis/bodyshell may not have been stamped by the manufacturer. In such

circumstances the DVLA Local Office will allocate a replacement VIN.

The DVLA Local Office will issue an authorisation letter and registration

will not take effect until the Agency receives confirmation that the vehicle

has been stamped with the correct identity.

 

Registration of Vehicles without Identity

 

The following procedures must be followed when making application for the

registration and first licensing of a vehicle without identity

 

· You should use your nearest DVLA Local Office.

 

Applications from outside a DVLA Local Office's catchment area will be

refused;

 

· You will be asked to produce your driving licence as proof of identity and

address;

· You will be asked to produce official receipts from identifiable suppliers

for the components used in a rebuild. The authenticity of receipts may be

checked. They will be stamped by the DVLA Local Office before return;

· All vehicles without identity (VIN and registration mark) will be

inspected by DVLA and referred to the police.

 

These arrangements have been introduced in an effort to combat vehicle

crime. Applicants who rebuild vehicles and can prove the origins of the

components need not be concerned. However, if the police believe a vehicle

to be stolen DVLA will refuse to register and it may be impounded.

Prospective purchasers of vehicles without identity are advised to exercise

caution. If a vehicle is suspected of being stolen both it and the money

paid for it may be lost. Advice for prospective purchasers of vehicles (The

car buyers Guide) is available from Crime Prevention Officers and DVLA Local

Offices.

 

 

C. Kit Cars

 

Where all the parts of a vehicle are supplied new by the manufacturer.

Subject to the provision of satisfactory receipts and a Certificate of

Newness these vehicles will be registered under a current registration mark.

 

Kit cars which been built using not more than one reconditioned component

will also be registered under a current mark. This is subject to the

provision of satisfactory evidence that the component has been reconditioned

to an "as new" standard. An ESVA/SVA/MSVA test will be required. For details

of the SVA scheme, please see Import Section.

 

 

D. Kit Conversions

 

This is where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle or old

parts are added to a kit comprising a manufactured body/chassis/monocoque

bodyshell. The general appearance of the vehicle will change and result in a

revised description on the registration document/Certificate.

A vehicle will retain its donor registration mark if either the original

unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell and two other major

components are used.

 

If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kit manufacturer

is used (or an altered chassis/bodyshell from an existing vehicle) together

with two major components from a donor vehicle, an age related mark will be

assigned. The mark will be based on the age of the donor vehicle. An

ESVA/SVA/MSVA test will be required to register the vehicle.

 

Where there are insufficient parts from a donor vehicle or in cases where

the original registration mark is unknown, an ESVA/SVA/MSVA certificate will

be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number

will be allocated.

[m_attt 31 1 Cars]

done a few re-shells when worked in a body shop, its litrally buy a new shell and swap the bits over, as long as a certain percentage of the original car was kept you could swap the identity over. but that was using new shells from factory with no vin plates on them.

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

Whats the reg number?

[Baz 421]

I've actually just realised that that states if re-using another shell rather than new that you still have to have an SVA test, since when?? pretty sure it wasn't like this a few yeears ago!

 

Oh well, there's still the easy way with a drill and some pop-rivets...

 

I know of an Escort that's been re-shelled about 8 times in it's 30+yr competition history, but it's always had the same VRM.

Edited October 24, 2011 by Baz

[peter 20]

i think the sva will be a nightmare.

 

the reg is j108wef i wonder if peugeot could help me out?

[m_attt 31 1 Cars]

im sure if yo knew anyone scrapping a shell you could cut out the section of bulkhead with the vin plate on and replace that section on your car obviously removing the vin plate or forgetting too

[peter 20]

im sure if yo knew anyone scrapping a shell you could cut out the section of bulkhead with the vin plate on and replace that section on your car obviously removing the vin plate or forgetting too

 

Sounds like a plan! But i dont know anyone scrapping one. Even more so as its a 1.0 or 1.1, but if anyone knows someone that knows someone...

[Leet205 48]

if you know anyone thats in the trade get them to run an HPI check on the reg, it will most likely return with your VIN number.

[welshpug 1,657]

what leet said

[ljenkins22 0]

PEUGEOT 1992 205 1.1 CH1 VF320CH1124856018 YELLOW

ok

[peter 20]

if you know anyone thats in the trade get them to run an HPI check on the reg, it will most likely return with your VIN number.

 

Unfortunately i dont, but i can do it online for 8.99 so ill just give that ago! quite happy!

 

If this doesnt work ill just buy a 1.0 shell

[peter 20]

PEUGEOT 1992 205 1.1 CH1 VF320CH1124856018 YELLOW

ok

 

Didnt see your post! Wow thanks youve just saved me a tenna! How did you do that??

 

Thats great though! do you know what CH1 means?

[ljenkins22 0]

Didnt see your post! Wow thanks youve just saved me a tenna! How did you do that??

 

Thats great though! do you know what CH1 means?

its the engine code mate, happy to help

[peter 20]

Ah i see! Well thats the log book applied for! hope it doesnt take too long to come back!

 

Many thanks!

[ORB 227 1 Cars]

Do you just need a vin number?

 

Give me 5 mins....

[ORB 227 1 Cars]

Too slow!