206 Gti 180 Engine

[gaz832 7 1 Cars]

hey folks, my cousin has lately just had a rear end smash with his 206 gti 180. insurance are gonna pay out no problem but do you know if the parts like engine gearbox, loom etc can be easily adapted to go into a 205 gti shell. he is going to buy it back cheap , i was gona buy the parts off him and ditch the mi16 engine due to its unreliability just now.

[Anthony 1,003]

Engine can be made to fit, although it ends up sitting quite low as I understand it - there's atleast a couple of cars on here with GTi-180 engines in them with pictures and more details on the installation. Rumour has it that they're quite fragile engines, but I've no direct experience of them so can't comment on that and I'm sure that realistically they're unlikely to be as bad as a typical 20 year old Mi16 engine is these days!

 

Management is multiplex as far as I'm aware, so realistically it can't be retrofitted into a 205 and you'll need some form of aftermarket management.

[welshpug 1,661]

in short, yes.

 

has been done a few times, you'll need a custom engine mount or two, an aftermarket engine management ecu and a custom exhaust manifold.

 

I dont know if the 205 engine bay has enough room for the inlet however as the engine is more upright, the only ones I have seen were on ITB's.

[gaz832 7 1 Cars]

will have a hunt around the net and on here for info, think he gets the car back next week, so engine and stuff will be out and kept in the garage .

[welshpug 1,661]

they do produce very good torque figures, I remember reading about the Longman 190 conversion for the 138 gti, basically just throttle bodies an ecu and a manifold on a stock engine for 170 lbft and 190 odd bhp, on standard cams!

[Henry Yorke 269 3 Cars]

if you cousin lives near you and wants another 180, the Brian is selling his 24k mile one as he has just bought a 306 Rallye.

 

I'll try and dig out some pics of the conversion. A company called Repairgeot in Derbyshire did a conversion a while back. I think most have throttlebodies on as it is pretty easy if you have aftermarket management and get more power.

[gaz832 7 1 Cars]

if you cousin lives near you and wants another 180, the Brian is selling his 24k mile one as he has just bought a 306 Rallye.

 

I'll try and dig out some pics of the conversion. A company called Repairgeot in Derbyshire did a conversion a while back. I think most have throttlebodies on as it is pretty easy if you have aftermarket management and get more power.

think he is after a deisel car now. 307 hdi or something , i will ask him tho.

[GLPoomobile 958]

With all due respect Gaz, I thought your unreliability issues were all relating to electrical issues. So replacing the engine is quite unnecessary.

 

One of the biggest headaches you are going to have with the 180 engine is the wiring, and you'll probably need to go with a standalone ECU and new loom to run it anyway.

 

If there's nothing physically wrong with your Mi engine, you could spend a fraction of the cost of the 180 conversion just blitzing the Mi with a bunch of new bits to get it running right and for peace of mind - new relays, coil, ignition amp, rotor arm and cap, CAS, relays etc. Maybe splash out on a new loom from Miles too.

 

The more expensive alternative, but still less than the 180, would be to ditch the Mi's Victorian management and go for a GTI6 inlet manifold and TB combined with some of the above mentioned new parts and standalone management with new loom.

 

I certainly empaphise with your frustration right now. It's not fun trying to track down electrical issues when you are out of your depth, working with old components of unknown quantity on a conversion done by someone else. At least when my Mi started throwing wobblies after I put in the new loom, I had the intimate knowledge of what had been done, and the confidence in my work, and that helped me pin point the problem in a clear and logical way.

 

Having said all that, I'd hate to encourage you to persevere only to have your Mi s*it itself soon after (like mine with it's water leak from the block ), when you could have done the 180 conversion instead. I just think that it's a pretty drastic solution to your current problems. The other thing to bare in mind is that if you can persevere and nail down your issues, you'll feel a lot more confidant afterwards, and it all helps build familiarity with the setup.

[gaz832 7 1 Cars]

i know what u mean, my loom isnt in the best condition really. i had the conversion done by a known garage for 205's being done, it has been reliable up until a few months ago. the garage done a proper job now the electrical gremlins are back.