Old Car Surprises Civic Type R

[welshpug 1,657]

iirc the K20 makes 125 lbft, 200bhp the highest torque variant of the 1.9 205 makes 119..

[kyepan 291]

if you look at them purely from power to weight or torque to weight ratio... you'll be able to look at them on the same page.

 

However in the current civic..

 

The rear suspension formerly a double wishbone set up has been changed to a less complex torsion beam axle.

 

so the suspension is not thad different either.

 

J

[MiniGibbo 142]

It's only the newest civic that has torsion bar and it's a big let down IMO.

[welshpug 1,657]

its a torsion beam not torsion bar, i.e not independent, much liike most Golfs escorts fiesta's etc.

[Baz 421]

Again, since when does power matter?

 

 

 

This should put paid to this whole discussion really, my short-circuit tarmac-sprint results from a few years back, Class A0 results with 2 EP3 CTR's in the class, my car (#7) was a near-as-damnit standard 1.9 GTi; (Despite what the results quote, it was actually the white Wheeler Dealer's car!)

 

 

http://www.hertscountyaac.co.uk/files/FinalResults_13July2008.pdf

 

 

 

Dicussed here; http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php?showtopic=92678&hl=

Edited October 10, 2011 by Baz

[205_sunderland 4]

Again, since when does power matter?

 

 

 

This should put paid to this whole discussion really, my short-circuit tarmac-sprint results from a few years back, Class A0 results with 2 EP3 CTR's in the class, my car (#7) was a near-as-damnit standard 1.9 GTi; (Despite what the results quote, it was actually the white Wheeler Dealer's car!)

 

 

http://www.hertscountyaac.co.uk/files/FinalResults_13July2008.pdf

 

 

 

Dicussed here; http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php?showtopic=92678&hl=

 

kinda backs my point up really,Both of these cars are small cars (well as far as modern cars go seen as though there all f***ing huge now even in hatch form ) so i would expect the area where they perform best to be in the small roads, Its the nitty gritty stuff which i feel would cause the old jap scrap to under steer its nuts off and thus a gti would succeed.

 

Set aside all this i find the gti a better car in general anyway for me as its a more involved and responsive drive, my brother has always said over the years my gtis are the closest cars hes driven to his exige and any other lotus hes owned and he has a type r for a while too like i said.

 

Maybe its just me but all the people on here who find them fine under power band i do not agree at all, there so damn flat its terrible, and there terrible on petrol,oil and tyres so not for me at all.

Edited October 10, 2011 by 205_sunderland

[Baz 421]

I should point Screwloose here, because he has a 200bhp 205 and still owns a Limited Edition EP3 CTR too, but barely uses it. Funnily enough used to have an Exige too.

 

Yet i barely see the point of this thread, it's still all subjective.

Edited October 10, 2011 by Baz

[205_sunderland 4]

I should point Screwloose here, because he has a 200bhp 205 and still owns a Limited Edition EP3 CTR too, but barely uses it. Funnily enough used to have an Exige too.

 

Yet i barely see the point of this thread, it's still all subjective.

 

Its all about the roads used like you said

[SurGie 54]

Civics are massive compared to the 205gti, 205 gti's are superminis and civics are not.

 

205's wins hands down end of, the other is a Jap car ffs.

[GLPoomobile 958]

What about the old 4th Gen (circa 1990) civic 1.6iVT? Not much bigger dimensionally, and not much between them weight wise.

 

Do I get a prize for the most useless contribution to this topic?

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

Erection!

 

 

 

You get second prize

Edited October 10, 2011 by Daviewonder

[matt.f 16]

Lol at the 'jap crap' comments.

Last five times longer than French cars!

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

Lol at the 'jap crap' comments.

Last five times longer than French cars!

 

 

They don't though.

[matt.f 16]

Hence why Honda engines are being used in a lot of kit cars,mk2 escorts etc.

Can spend all day on the rev limiter and still come back for more.

[Tom Fenton 1,541]

What a silly thread.

[SurGie 54]

Honda's rep is not as shiny as it used to be, or is that Toyota

 

I think its more down to how new the engines are so parts for them are plentiful like the gti6 engines are to Mi's. They've never been the best looking cars compared to the 205 for instance

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

Hence why Honda engines are being used in a lot of kit cars,mk2 escorts etc.

Can spend all day on the rev limiter and still come back for more.

 

You didn't say engines though did you.

[205_sunderland 4]

Lol at the 'jap crap' comments.

Last five times longer than French cars!

 

Jap cars love the irish woodworm, its why they get faster as they get older. Weight reduction via rot (usually boot floor in true traditional form).

[matt.f 16]

You didn't say engines though did you.

Ok all mechanical

Hence why everyone doing road rallies are switching to Proton satria gti's,ultra reliable because there all Mitsubishi!

[welshpug 1,657]

naah, its because they are a stable chassis, with reasonable mechanicals and electricals and a lot of evo bits bolt on, they rust with the best of them these days.

 

anyway, proton is malaysian

 

still, yawn....

[TaffyTim 6]

I like these max power threads, it gives the forum a nice broad reading scope :-P

[irmscher 0]

A lot of cars use the type r engine because thats all thats left the body has fallen off with rust

[Mad Scientist 106]

I find it hilarious that a French car forum is talking about rust and reliability!

[SurGie 54]

Cars are as reliable as they are made put together and treated, made/put together professionally by your self then yes very reliable.

[Batfink 201]

I find it hilarious that a French car forum is talking about rust and reliability!

 

Its inevitable that rust will take hold eventually but considering how old the 205 is I think its resisted the British weather and salted roads very well. Its certainly no vauxhall.

My 205 is 25 years old and is just starting to need work on the front panel and one of the rear wings.