Starting Problem

[lewis205cti 12]

Hi all

 

I have a 1993 205 1.9 CTi. For years but intermittently (always at the wrong time) when I try to start the 205 it does not always start first time.

 

When I turn the key there is a click sound then nothing. This can happen 3 or 4 times before the engine turns over and starts. But sometimes it will start first time no problems. But this morning it clicked ten or so times before it turned over and fired up.

 

It happens when the engine is hot or cold.

 

I replaced the starter motor about 6 months back but it did not cure the problem. I cleaned up and greased all the connections at the same time. I have also checked the earth wires I can find etc. Plus swapped the ignition form my other pug to see if that was the problem.

 

But annoyingly the problem stays. I noticed on another post there is mention of a “trigger Wire”. I’ve tried searching this but the search function is not working at the mo.

 

Have any of you guys had this problem, or know what else I can check to try and cure this problem. Hidden earth wires? Where is this trigger wire too?

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Cheers

Lewis

[RickyD 0]

I have also have the same fault which has just appeared in the last week after just under two months ownership. I just been out out lunch time to get the code for the original radio/cassette and the same thing happened again, however it's been fine since Monday night.

 

I also noticed that search function doesn't work. I did a search of Google and it mentions something about Ignition Amplifier. As I haven't got a clue what one of those are or trigger wire is, I'm sure someone will be along to offer us some guidance.

 

Cheers

 

RickyD

[S@m 156]

I would say search but its down! A real common one this, just had it on my mi16. Its usually caused by the starter solenoid wire not supplying quite enough voltage to fire the starter. I fixed mine by removing the old solenoid wire from the starter and using it to instead activate a relay which supplies a new (fused) 12v feed straight from the battery. Some would say thats a bodge solution, but its either that or trace the wire from the starter back to the ignition barrel and check all contacts (especially the brown multiplug on the gearbox). Either of the solutions should work provided the solenoid itself isnt the fault, but the way to check that is to use something metal (big screwdriver) to bridge the two contacts on the starter (solenoid and main feed; basically the only two!) and the starter motor should fire, if it doesnt then the starter itself it fooked.

 

 

Sam

 

P.S. whilst i may sound like i know what i am doing all of the above is just stolen from others and i used it to fix the same problem on mine!

[lewis205cti 12]

Thanks for your help guys.

 

I'd not thought about the starter solenoid wire being rubish.

 

I'll trace the wire from the starter back to the ignition barrel and check all contacts especially the brown multiplug on the gearbox this weekend.

If not a fused 12v feed straight from the battery sounds like a good back up plan.

 

If anyone else has any ideas please let me know.

 

Cheers

[Mikey S 29 1 Cars]

Thanks for your help guys.

 

I'd not thought about the starter solenoid wire being rubish.

 

I'll trace the wire from the starter back to the ignition barrel and check all contacts especially the brown multiplug on the gearbox this weekend.

If not a fused 12v feed straight from the battery sounds like a good back up plan.

 

If anyone else has any ideas please let me know.

 

Cheers

 

ive done exactly as sam306 has done to his. i did mine years ago and it never fails to start. its not a bodge and saves alot of hassle trying trace wires.

[Simes 248 2 Cars]

Plenty of threads on this over the years

 

Earth - Clean it up

Ve+ - re-terminate the connection on the starter, they corrode making bad contact.

Immobilisers sometimes can't take the amount of current being drawn through (just had this recently)

 

 

Failing that the starter has failed.

 

 

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1276&bih=839&q=205gti+starter+motor+problems&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq=

[lewis205cti 12]

Thanks guys. I'm looking at it tomorrow I'll post up progress

[dcc 855]

easiest way to solve this is carry a nice long metal bar and a hammer, and 'gently' tap the starter when shes being a tw*t. either that or fix it properly.