205 Gti 1.9 Gear Box Hydraulic For Cable

[jimbobclarkie 0]

Can anybody help?

 

 

I have bought a 205 GTI 1.9 1989 unfortunatly the Syncomesh had gone in fourth gear so i decided to replace the gear box.

 

I bought off of E-bay a gearbox for a 205 GTI 1.9 but it has a Hydraulic operated clutch, mine is cable operated.

 

Sorry if i am missing any details but my friend is fitting it at the moment so i am just relaying info.

 

He says that the hydraulic gear box i have bought will not fit in my pug as well as, it is not possible to change the hydraulics for the cable arm/lever

 

Is this correct? am i going to have to find a different gear box? or can the conversion be done?

 

Many Thanks

 

James

[Tom Fenton 1,542]

Sorry to say it but someone on ebay has stitched you up, no 205 GTI gearbox ever had a hydraulic clutch. Send the gearbox back and get on the hunt for a replacement.

[jimbobclarkie 0]

Thanks for the reply this is the link for the E-Bay item as you can see the 1 bought was by myself have they described the part incorrectly or has my mate just got mixed up / confused? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/peugeot-205-1900-1-9-gti-gear-box-be1-/110634170818?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19c24f79c2

[Tom Fenton 1,542]

Looks as far as I can tell like an earlier gearbox, BE1, this has reverse next to 1st gear, and a different kind of release bearing mechanism.

 

It certainly is NOT from a 1990 car, it is from an 1988 or earlier.

 

It can be made to fit you car, but to do the job properly you will need the clutch pedal, clutch cable, and gear linkage with reverse lockout cable from an earlier car.

 

Given that you paid nearly £100 for it you ought to expect it to be right, and it is not.

 

Personally I would get a refund, it is not as described, and although it could be made to fit, it isn't original to the age of the car, and would need quite a lot of messing about to get it to fit.

[Tom Fenton 1,542]

If the ebay item was actually what it was supposed to be, e.g. a 1990 205 GTI 1.9 gearbox, it would be perfect.

 

What you need is a gearbox from a 1989 or later 205. The easy way of telling is that reverse gear will be behind 5th, as your car will/should be.

[jimbobclarkie 0]

If the ebay item was actually what it was supposed to be, e.g. a 1990 205 GTI 1.9 gearbox, it would be perfect.

 

What you need is a gearbox from a 1989 or later 205. The easy way of telling is that reverse gear will be behind 5th, as your car will/should be.

 

 

So did the 205 GTI only have 2 different types of gear boxes? before 88 and after?

[Tom Fenton 1,542]

Yes and no

 

Up to 1988 ish they were fitted with a BE1 gearbox, reverse next to 1st with a lift collar on the gear lever to allow access to reverse. Clutch mechanism as per the box you have.

 

After 1988 they were fitted with a BE3 gearbox. Reverse behind 5th gear. Clutch mechanism as I am assuming your car has.

 

However in addition to this, the 1600 GTI's had different ratios to the 1900 GTI's. Then you also need to make sure that you don't end up with a diesel or turbo diesel box, as these are both different again.

[jimbobclarkie 0]

Although the description on E-Bay states BE1, is there any external differences between the BE1 and BE3 so i have some evidence to go back to the supplier with?

 

Thanks For all your help btw

[pug_ham 244 3 Cars]

Yes, the clutch cable arm on the gearbox is different.

 

On a Be1 it has a seperate quadrant bolted to the gearbox which moves the fork with the release bearing on where the Be3 has a complete arm & clucth fork in one.

 

The BE3 also has a black breather cap where the reverse lock-out cable goes into the gearbox on the BE1.

 

Also, that casing will be marked either BE1 or BE3 by the diff housing.

 

Graham.

[Anthony 1,003]

It certainly is NOT from a 1990 car, it is from an 1988 or earlier.

Actually, it could be from a very early 1990 car as it was around the start of 1990 that they changed over to BE3, about the same time as Phase 1.5's got the later black half-leathers.

 

Certainly I've personally owned a January 1990 (G-reg) 205 that was from just prior to the changeover with the earlier grey half-leathers and BE1 gearbox. Every 1989 model I've owned has always been a BE1 gearbox and earlier grey seats.

 

Generally, most 1990 cars are a bit pot luck as to what you get, as within the space of about 9 months or so you go from original Phase 1.5's with grey half-leathers, BE1 gearbox etc all the way through to full Phase 2 cars with black dash/trim, later lights, etc.

[jackherer 543]

Where did 1990 come from? I can't see that on the ebay ad. It just says BE1 1900 which is what it looks like to me.

[jimbobclarkie 0]

Iv definatly got fitted at the moment a BE3 as the reverse is below 5th i have also got the half black interior, thanks guys uv help me loads at least tomo i can definatly estabish if i have the right gear box or not. I phone the guy who broke the car btw and he said its def a 1.9 gti 205 gear box from a car later than 88 so i think my mate is gettin confused with what he has to do, i expect he aint realised that he has to take the old lever arm off my current box and put it on the new one, or so im hopeing lol

 

Keep ya posted

 

Cheers James

[large 33]

You have got the wrong gear box. It can be made to fit as people have said, if I were you I would just sell that one and get a BE3 gearbox from a 1.9 or if you want to have an increase in lower speed performance fit a BE3 from a 1.6.

 

Or you could ask the seller to refund you but you would have to pick up the carriage charge as I dont think he has done anything wrong.

Edited April 8, 2011 by large

[jimbobclarkie 0]

What i dont think i said or made clear was I gave the guy my car details eg year model etc, he informed me that he had a gear box that he had just taken off of a peugeot 205 1.9 gti that would fit my car.

[large 33]

No problem then, he should give you your cash back or a BE3 gearbox.

[jimbobclarkie 0]

Hi guys still aint seen the box yet but actually got to speak to my mate and get a bit more info aparently the bok i have bought has got a different cluch arm / fork assembly. Any comments?

[jimbobclarkie 0]

That was meant to be "box" not "bok" lol

[pug_ham 244 3 Cars]

As said, the gearbox from the ebay auction & picture is a Be1 which has a different clutch arm & arm along with a different clutch cable.

 

Get your mate to look at the gearbox you won by the back of the diff housing to see if it's stamped BE1 or BE3.

 

Graham.

[jackherer 543]

What i dont think i said or made clear was I gave the guy my car details eg year model etc

 

To be fair to him your 1989 car should have had a BE1 box. The faulty BE3 box you have removed from it is not the original gearbox.