205 Turbo D's, Stdt, Dturbo's

[Strictly_Derv 34]

Hi I own a 205 Dturbo project thread

 

I previously owned a 306 DT FMIC'd etc producing 143bhp 225lb-ft torques, and offered someone for a swap for the 205 TD which I had been searching for since i've pasted my driving test. I've kept the Forge cooler, all the piping etc expecting it go straight on but the manifolds are different so I bought a 306 mani but then the vac pump needed to be moved then, and a 306 vac doesn't fit on the camshaft!

So if anyone can help me with my problem , or show me were to put the original vac pump would be much appreciated

 

Max.

[welshpug 1,657]

easiest option is to fit a complete 306 lump, preferably from an early ish car so it has the bosch pump.

[Strictly_Derv 34]

Yeah that will be the plan later as this engine's on 170000. BUt I'm skint atm

[allye 530 3 Cars]

170,000? Just broken in then Thats very impressive power from the 306. Surely you could pick up 306 engine for very little and would make life much easier.

[pug_ham 244 3 Cars]

show me were to put the original vac pump would be much appreciated

The original STDT vac pump runs from a double pulley for the PAS & Vac pump off the gearbox end of the camshaft (which I think is different to those with the vac pump housing) & sits behind the head on a bracket.

 

Graham.

[Strictly_Derv 34]

These engine benifit hugely from a lil tune. Got the power from 90bhp to 143bhp and it cost me nothing what so ever just turned a few screws. (FMIC wasn't on at the time of the rolling road)

 

I'm a student who's out of work till next month, then I owe alot for ins, tax etc so new engines out of the question for now.

 

Thats the set up i've got.

I need to change the manifold so it will take FMIC piping. But the vac pump is attached to the manifold and there's no where else to put it.

I've seen people FMIC these but can't find any info on doing it anywhere

[welshpug 1,657]

I just replaced mum's 299k mile engine with a 123k one for £100 (headgasket went in a big way ), that included the gearbox

 

If you have all this cash going out on insurance etc, how are you going to afford it modified?!....

 

 

Any manifold will take FMIC piping, just a case of making stuff to fit, there's not many people doing 205 TD stuff any more, and with most, just like the 2.0 Turbo conversions, they are all different and no definite way to do things.

[Strictly_Derv 34]

will have to put some asside for it.

These mani's wont as they are as there's an inch gap between the turbo and inlet. Some one mentioned something about turning the compressor housing round about 45 degres so there's some room for pipes to run to the cooler and back to the mani

 

This does seem like it may work

[foreigner 0]

I just replaced mum's 299k mile engine with a 123k one for £100 (headgasket went in a big way ), that included the gearbox

 

If you have all this cash going out on insurance etc, how are you going to afford it modified?!....

 

 

Any manifold will take FMIC piping, just a case of making stuff to fit, there's not many people doing 205 TD stuff any more, and with most, just like the 2.0 Turbo conversions, they are all different and no definite way to do things.

 

 

I am afraid that you havent seen the 205 td manifold - just for you to picture that rubber hose from turbo to manifold is about 5 inch long so that manifold would be a lot of work to do but have to agree that it's doable if you got money to burn, just slap the xantia one on.

[Strictly_Derv 34]

I have a non EGR 405 mani but as I said there's knowhere for the vac pump to go and a 306 type vac wont fit as the camshafts are different.

Edited March 11, 2011 by Strictly_Derv

[foreigner 0]

I have a non EGR 405 mani but as I said there's knowhere for the vac pump to go and a 306 type vac wont fit as the camshafts are different.

 

Get a xantia or 406 manifold if you are going to use fmic

 

 

 

5 ways to do it

 

 

1. do nothing

2. use electric vac pump (skoda octavia) and electric pas pump (saxo), get stronger alternator and battery (just in case) - would be cheaper to get 306 engine

3. use electric vac pump and 306/405 bracket for alternator and pas pump and mount it that way, very tight fit for the bottom rad hose with pas pump pulley, then you can move rad in front of the crossmember and reroute the rad hose, but then no space for fmic. - again cheaper to get 306 engine

4. get rid off pas and use electric vac pump.

5. get rid off pas and servo - just joking

[Strictly_Derv 34]

Get a xantia or 406 manifold if you are going to use fmic

 

 

 

5 ways to do it

 

 

1. do nothing

2. use electric vac pump (skoda octavia) and electric pas pump (saxo), get stronger alternator and battery (just in case) - would be cheaper to get 306 engine

3. use electric vac pump and 306/405 bracket for alternator and pas pump and mount it that way, very tight fit for the bottom rad hose with pas pump pulley, then you can move rad in front of the crossmember and reroute the rad hose, but then no space for fmic. - again cheaper to get 306 engine

4. get rid off pas and use electric vac pump.

5. get rid off pas and servo - just joking

 

 

cheers for your help, will keep these in mind. If I can find an electric vac pump than I wont need to change the pas pump as its not in the way. I've been looking but can't seem to find any for under £100, shame the local scrappy doesn't have any lol

 

 

I think I may have found a solution though. Someone mentioned about moving the compressor housing around and had a fiddle with an xud9 kkk k14 engine at college and it seems to work, will need to remove the turbo though as its way to fiddly otherwise

[foreigner 0]

cheers for your help, will keep these in mind. If I can find an electric vac pump than I wont need to change the pas pump as its not in the way. I've been looking but can't seem to find any for under £100, shame the local scrappy doesn't have any lol

 

 

I think I may have found a solution though. Someone mentioned about moving the compressor housing around and had a fiddle with an xud9 kkk k14 engine at college and it seems to work, will need to remove the turbo though as its way to fiddly otherwise

 

try normal supplier, you might be surprised

[snake744 0]

This might be a long shot but the early 405 turbo diesels shared the same 1800 engine as your 205 but with intercooler as the 306 etc. The vac pump was mounted on the end of the camshaft also.

 

I wonder if this earlier vac pump may fit your 205?

 

The stealers may be able to help with part nos.

 

Like I said its a long shot but worth a try.

[foreigner 0]

This might be a long shot but the early 405 turbo diesels shared the same 1800 engine as your 205 but with intercooler as the 306 etc. The vac pump was mounted on the end of the camshaft also.

 

I wonder if this earlier vac pump may fit your 205?

 

The stealers may be able to help with part nos.

 

Like I said its a long shot but worth a try.

 

 

I checked my stdt engine when taken out, camshaft is too long for the 405 vac pump.

 

Try Skoda Otavia vac pump - the guy on 999 chalenge bought brand new from either dealer or motor supplier if I remember right it was £80 (might be wrong).

With couple of relays and connection from break pedal switch (or whatever you call it) will work nicely.

 

Mate don't waste your time with 1.8 get 306 and swap it over, everyone who 's done swear by it ( ba'''''d). All the money spent on it could get you engine ( I got couple spare, not that I want to sell any of them).