Most Expensive Refuel

[Jrod 7]

I never really paid much attention but just went through my bank statement since Jan and I've spent £552 so far... I only live 10 miles from work so I'm hardly doing lot of miles either!

[Tesstuff 222]

I never really paid much attention but just went through my bank statement since Jan and I've spent £552 so far... I only live 10 miles from work so I'm hardly doing lot of miles either!

 

£552 since Jan, that is 15 days, what the hell do you drive?

[Jrod 7]

£552 since Jan, that is 15 days, what the hell do you drive?

 

 

Sorry since the start of Jan, i.e this year.

[Tesstuff 222]

Sorry since the start of Jan, i.e this year.

 

Haha, sorry mate, I had visions of you owning either a Hummer or a Veyron

[Jrod 7]

Haha, sorry mate, I had visions of you owning either a Hummer or a Veyron

 

 

I wish. Just a 205 and 406 I'm afraid!

[Longun 1]

Not sure if this has been posted before and its a long way off. Plus what ever monkey is in power at the time will no doubt tax the hell out of it.

 

Clever stuff though

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/art...sting-cars.html

 

The biggest change that I've seen over the past year or two isn't with the volume of traffic, but the speed of traffic - on the motorways I now see a significant number that are doing 50-60mph, whereas a few years ago it was rare for anyone to be doing less than 80 other than HGV's and the odd old dear in her Micra.

 

I've also noticed this. It used to be unless you were doing 90+ everything passed you. Yet I went down the M5 the other week at about 80 and past everything. Well bar the odd Audi, BMW and Merc.

Edited February 15, 2011 by Longun

[allye 530 3 Cars]

The though of running out of oil really does concern me! Hydrogen or electric car are so soulless so the idea of a low carbon 'fake' petrol is great!

 

Although the government will never back it as they make far too much money from Petrol and Diesel.

[M_R_205 5 1 Cars]

The government needs to start cutting back on things it needs less and stop paying out millions in benefits as apposed to upping the tax on fuel...

 

No matter what we pump in to our cars the government will still take most of the money at the pumps!

[Henry Yorke 269 3 Cars]

I'm quite glad my CTI has a long gearbox in it and doesn't need reving to get the power out of it, given the cost of fuel. Does this spell the end of the desire for the 1.6 gearbox or is the optimum to put a diesel 5th gear in there for the journeys to and from the trackday (if you can still afford it!)

[Anthony 1,003]

I think the turbo and (comparitively) low compression will be hurting economy far more than a slightly shorter ratio gearbox Henry!

 

Certainly I've never noticed any significant difference in economy between a 1.6 and 1.9 gearbox, my 1.9 8v on a 1.6 'box happily returning 35mpg day to day. A longer gearbox would just blunt the franticness and fun for me, and the jump from 4th to a diesel 5th serve only to irritate - if a 205 GTi isn't a car to drive and enjoy first and foremost, then it is nothing.

 

It's more the speed you travel at than revs in my opinion, within reason atleast, which makes sense as the faster you go, the more fuel you're burning to generate sufficient power to overcome air resistance.

[SurGie 54]

The though of running out of oil really does concern me! Hydrogen or electric car are so soulless so the idea of a low carbon 'fake' petrol is great!

 

Although the government will never back it as they make far too much money from Petrol and Diesel.

 

 

You'd be surprised the amount of things that are made from oil or have used oil to make things. Oil is now the life blood of the world and without it the world would change big time. We would know the full extent of this only when it does. Then they have to grow extra crops to make substitute petrol oil etc, when we are running out of land to grow enough food because we are over populated. Oil has made the world well over populated.

 

But hey they may make a breakthrough with new technology for power. Some electric cars are faster than petrol ones right now.

 

OT>

Thats quite a sweeping statement about benefits really, do you really know the full extent of what this country would be like without it ? Everyday there are less and less jobs due to cuts. Then theres the disadvantaged people that cant work. This country is dragging its heels and not paying benefits wont change a thing for the better, wastage should be the first thing. I saw on the news today the gov spends 20k a night for dog kennels, that more than the Hilton hotel, and changing the light bulbs costs loads of money. I cant remember the details but it was very shocking, IMS or something ?

 

Blame the stupid Gov's for getting us in this mess, and that means the others in the past since the second world war not just Labour, although they did make things much worse.

[muddatrucker 125]

I've had a Ford Focus 1.6 Sport courtesy car for a week (I usually drive an STDT), I don't think I could ever have a petrol again, its a thirsty beast!

[GLPoomobile 958]

Surge, I see your forum new year's resolution didn't last long!

[mfield 20]

Blame the stupid Gov's for getting us in this mess, and that means the others in the past since the second world war not just Labour, although they did make things much worse.

 

That's the facade, it's the Interest groups and lobbys who remain constant that steer this ship.

[M_R_205 5 1 Cars]

Thats quite a sweeping statement about benefits really, do you really know the full extent of what this country would be like without it ? Everyday there are less and less jobs due to cuts. Then theres the disadvantaged people that cant work. This country is dragging its heels and not paying benefits wont change a thing for the better, wastage should be the first thing. I saw on the news today the gov spends 20k a night for dog kennels, that more than the Hilton hotel, and changing the light bulbs costs loads of money. I cant remember the details but it was very shocking, IMS or something ?

 

Blame the stupid Gov's for getting us in this mess, and that means the others in the past since the second world war not just Labour, although they did make things much worse.

 

Yes that was a bit of a sweeping statment about benefits, i bit too broad and general, For instance my mother is on disability benefits (she has MS and is almost toatly imobile) which also means may dad doesnt pay road tax on his 3.5l car....

 

it just infuriatess me when, for instance tonight im going to a pub quiz as i do most wed nights, and there is a fat middle aged bloke who sits and boasts that he does not need to work as the govenment is paying him X amount of pounds due to being an alocoholic!! He has the audacity to buy a pint, look at me and thank me.... The 75% tax im paying on my fuel is keeping him drunk!!

 

But i agree, many people on benefits do genuinly realy need them to survive,

 

Even if we werent paying out millions/bilions? on benefits, the govenment wouldnt pass the savings on to us anyway!

Edited February 16, 2011 by M_R_205

[SurGie 54]

Too right M_R_205 and i understand you frustration with it all, im sure we all feel the same.

 

Back on topic i think.

[feb 47]

£70 in the legacy @ £1.359 and I can travel about 240-260miles. Its bloody depressing.

 

That's not too bad.

I average 17mpg in the 12 miles roundtrip to work with the FSTI. Cold starts are cr*p.

Over the last 10 months or so average consumption has been 24mpg (mixed driving), I can manage 31mpg on a long trip with a steady foot though.

[feb 47]

Not sure if this has been posted before and its a long way off. Plus what ever monkey is in power at the time will no doubt tax the hell out of it.

 

Clever stuff though

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/art...sting-cars.html

 

 

 

I've also noticed this. It used to be unless you were doing 90+ everything passed you. Yet I went down the M5 the other week at about 80 and past everything. Well bar the odd Audi, BMW and Merc.

 

It's the totally opposite in autobahns, you are cruising at 80 there will be a lot of Mercs/Audis/BMWs passing you, diesels or not, I don't know why they don't care about the fuel bills!

 

As Anthony said it is probably company cars.

 

To stay on the left lane you must be doing above 100.

 

All governments tricks, when the barrel was 1.5 the petrol price was the same, now that the barrel price is halved prices are still the same. Can't always blame the saudis when most of the money is tax.

Edited February 16, 2011 by feb

[Henry Yorke 269 3 Cars]

I think the turbo and (comparitively) low compression will be hurting economy far more than a slightly shorter ratio gearbox Henry!

 

Certainly I've never noticed any significant difference in economy between a 1.6 and 1.9 gearbox, my 1.9 8v on a 1.6 'box happily returning 35mpg day to day. A longer gearbox would just blunt the franticness and fun for me, and the jump from 4th to a diesel 5th serve only to irritate - if a 205 GTi isn't a car to drive and enjoy first and foremost, then it is nothing.

 

It's more the speed you travel at than revs in my opinion, within reason atleast, which makes sense as the faster you go, the more fuel you're burning to generate sufficient power to overcome air resistance.

True, the turbo would drink fuel when it comes on boost, but if you change sensible then you can save some money, though it may not necessarily be as fun and it does make a bit of a crap everyday car now.

 

I think more modern management helps with economy. The Mp3.2 is quite an improvement in drivability over my old Jetronic system.

 

The air resistance is an interesting point too. You will get better efficiency if your car is polished. Non sunroof cars must have a better drag coefficient than sunroofed ones and CTIs may be the worst. The 205 is rated at 0.340 and frontal area of 1.78m squared = Cx 0.6. The 206 is 0.33 with a frontal area of 1.98m squared = Cx 0.66. A 309 and 306 GTI6 is 0.32 and a 207 is 0.30 with the aerodynamic packed "Économique"one at 0.274

[Anthony 1,003]

... and CTIs may be the worst.

Probably are with your head sticking out of the top like an airbrake

[Guest]

Fuel costs will have to go up considerably further than they are currently before there will be a significant reduction in traffic volume - for the majority of people, driving isn't a choice and something that they do just on a whim, but a neccesity to get to / go about their work. Public transport, for many outside of major cities, simply isn't a viable option.

 

Been reading this thread with interest and just felt the need to add my twopenneth.

 

In regard to your first statement Anthony, I agree and I have thought for some time of the failings of public transport outside of major cities. In reality there is no way for the government to create a network that would be convenient enough to satisfy the needs of our dispersed population.

 

I genuinely feel that in the next 20 or so years everyone's "daily commute" will become a thing of the past as we make the decision to live closer to work. The increase in disposable income and reduced transportation costs fueled our move to the suburbs, logic dictates the reverse will also be true.

 

Oh and chariot of choice for me is a 106 diesel, while the 205 sits on axle stands in the garage.

[NNPUT 2]

Personally i think the rise in fuel costs is hitting the construction trade and workers in general alot more than a 9-5 office worker who could use public transport for a regular commute. In my line of work we have to travel to sites all over the UK and i typically drive 2-3K business miles a month. My Nissan Navara is doing somewhere around 360 miles to £100 of diesel so i can use £800 worth of diesel a month!

 

When i first bought a pickup, diesel was 70p a litre FFS!!!!!

[welshpug 1,657]

why the hell do builders insist on buying bloody pickups FFS!

 

what's wrong with a van that does twice the MPG....

Edited February 21, 2011 by welshpug

[NNPUT 2]

why the hell do builders insist on buying bloody pickups FFS!

 

what's wrong with a van that does twice the MPG....

 

Firstly i'm not a builder, secondly, its far cheaper than a range rover or similar. Theres tax advantages and the VAT can be claimed back. A van cant tow a 2 tonne caravan!!! any more questions?

[welshpug 1,657]

yes they can.

 

 

construction trade - builder.