Guys Get Ready For The Police State.

[foreigner 0]

Jesus tittyf***ing Christ GET A LIFE.

 

Some things in life matter and are worth fighting for / getting worked up over. This is NOT one of them.

 

This thread is a prime example of how only knowing half a story can be incredibly dangerous. You clearly think you know exactly what you're talking about, yet you've never heard of the Road Traffic Act, and clearly never read through your insurance fine print! Get your facts straight before you go defending your point like it's gospel. And get life, or a hobby, or something.

 

mate, I know the most of the story , I got my facts right, I read throught the small print, I got life and hobby so you go insult someone else. I have been quite polite and entertaining in this thread, if you can't see it you should move to North Korea.

 

I am just trying to openm your eyes mate , but you can keep yours shut as you are what we call sheep (just following without thinking because your people been doing that for thousand of year). I am aware that I am not going to make any change whatsoever because I am too unimportant, but I will still try. So freedom of speech mate.

[foreigner 0]

I agree, the person driving OR the car has to be insured.

 

I don't see what the issue is either. And the comment that If the car rolls down the hill and causes damage is pretty poor IMO. The costs could be huge, personal injury, vehicle/property damage and possibly worse. The bill could easily exceed £6 to £10k for damages plus legal costs. I doubt many drivers have that money to pay for that plus the repairs to their car. So to cover all it needs to be insured. Otherwise how on earth will it be paid for? Going to court? Court order? It'll be a massive fine which would have to be drip fed because the driver who doesn't insure their cars or maintains them is a good chance of being on a low income/can't afford the car they use or are reliant benefits of sorts and will not be able to pay for the fine etc. That is not a slur on any benefit users or lower income drivers by the way.

 

Regards SORN rules, well I declare mine sorn over the winter, get the reminder and do the certificate and that's that.

 

Mate don't get me wrong I want to get rid off the uninsured drivers too as I got my fair share with them too, but doing it this way just penalise the good ones.

 

Regarding the insured ones - I got knocked off my bike by insured driver but it took over year to sort it out ,so what difference did it make in that year to me , none at all and it could end up with no result either if he had paid for expensive lawyer to blame it on me.

 

Just wait in no time at all, people will be moaning about it more than me.

 

anyway

 

Have nice x-mas and happy new year everyone, DVLA just got themselves another present paid by us. DOn't forget to SORN your vehicles.

Edited December 13, 2010 by foreigner

[Cameron 16]

Sorry, who are you calling "your people"? I'd think twice about saying things like that as you're in danger of sounding like a racist, bigoted c*nt.

 

I don't need to "open my eyes, ma-an" I'm well aware of how the world works, and this is an extremely trivial thing to be getting so worked up over.

[Flozman 4]

OMG is this thread still going? I posted a tech question a couple of weeks ago and only got one reply.

[mfield 20]

OMG is this thread still going? I posted a tech question a couple of weeks ago and only got one reply.

 

You should have wrote it using txt speak with plenty of spelling mistakes, Don't forget to put a P.s. asking what tyres are best and how much is your car worth

[SurGie 54]

(oh know here's SurGie's bit lol)

 

WTF, this thread seems to go on and on, 6 pages since 8pm last night.

 

In my experience with the DVLA the best thing to do is go to Swansea and visit them in person to sort big problems out, that way they will listen.

 

I agree with Anthony that there will be more cloned cars etc on the road because of this new law.

 

What about traders insurance, they can drive any car cant they ?

Edited December 13, 2010 by SurGie

[Arahan 4]

Just stay insured and have a limited mileage policy of 0 miles, should be nice and cheap!

[Flozman 4]

You should have wrote it using txt speak with plenty of spelling mistakes, Don't forget to put a P.s. asking what tyres are best and how much is your car worth

 

P.S. Wot tyrez shud i get? Im karently got 3 x Sava INTENSA HP & 1 part worn P600, alzo wot iz my motor worth my m8 said bout 10k

[tri_longer 25]

OMG is this thread still going? I posted a tech question a couple of weeks ago and only got one reply.

 

I bet that reply was to go and use the serach facility

[Cameron 16]

P.S. Wot tyrez shud i get? Im karently got 3 x Sava INTENSA HP & 1 part worn P600, alzo wot iz my motor worth my m8 said bout 10k

 

Did lol.

[johnnyboy666 195 1 Cars]

it seems to me, that all this means is from now on you wont be able to buy a car with tax and test, it'll just be'test'.

just another thing to ease the finances when buying a car lol

[Arahan 4]

it seems to me, that all this means is from now on you wont be able to buy a car with tax and test, it'll just be'test'.

just another thing to ease the finances when buying a car lol

 

Unless they are still insured on it, whereupon you could buy the car, swap your insurance over to it and keep whatever tax there is

[johnnyboy666 195 1 Cars]

in some cases yeah, but i think a lot of the time people will transfer their insurance onto a new car before selling the old one. especially if its used for work etc.

[mickie 3]

the only controle the police try to have over cars are with modified cars, a lot of cars they stop will have been stopped for nothing..

 

thats over powering, acting like a police state but in every other case the uk is nothing like a police state and i dont think it ever will be.. no-one wants a police state in this country, because police states dont work..

 

changing laws to help get law breakers off the road will only help everyone else, if insurance came down again..isnt that heading in the right direction ? a lot more people would be able to afford insurance again, making people more free to move around which is heading away from the police state you talk about..

[Batfink 201]

Its nothing to worry about. Every car I have off the road is sorned. I do this the first day. I then dont bother with insurance.

What they are trying to catch is uninsured drivers that will have tax (though why they would bother I dont know)

 

To have any car on a public road it has to have insurance. For you to drive someone elses car on your insurance it has to be insured elsewhere. when you buy a new car you should have insurance before driving it away.

If you have your car sorned and off the road you do not need insurance, but you can get it!

 

I have numerous cars off the road and this is not a problem or a scary police state disaster and wont affect me in the slightest.

[Batfink 201]

the only controle the police try to have over cars are with modified cars, a lot of cars they stop will have been stopped for nothing..

 

thats over powering, acting like a police state but in every other case the uk is nothing like a police state and i dont think it ever will be.. no-one wants a police state in this country, because police states dont work..

 

changing laws to help get law breakers off the road will only help everyone else, if insurance came down again..isnt that heading in the right direction ? a lot more people would be able to afford insurance again, making people more free to move around which is heading away from the police state you talk about..

 

The police catch many criminals on random car stops. They do not need any reason to stop a car. They need a reason to search it if they are suspicious of your activity but thats never happened to me yet (though i'd happily let them as I have nothing to hide)

I've never been stopped in a modified car, only normal ones and i've been stopped a lot! No bother

[foreigner 0]

ok , now can someone stop this before it gets out of hand,

 

since I have started this this thread is officially closed.

 

thanx for all of your replies.

 

and no harm meant.

 

it seems to be that some people can't take a joke.

 

anyway I got few lines to throw at the arguements next time after this.

 

and please some of you try to debate politely without c-words.

 

thanx

 

happy new year ho ho ho ho ho ho

 

 

 

 

 

 

10 pages of replies, my personal record.

Edited December 13, 2010 by foreigner

[mickie 3]

being stopped is ok, being stopped a lot isnt..

 

being made to suffer for driving a certain car isnt right if everything is legal, it will make people want to get rid of the car because of how the police are acting..

 

that isnt a free country, its a police state aimed at modified cars.. fair enough, you may not like some of the modified cars you see but thats not the point..

 

their are a lot of things you dont like but they're not treat the same..

Edited December 13, 2010 by mickie

[Stevo309 0]

I'm not entirely sure i see the point of a SORN.

 

A few years ago I got a letter from the DVLA telling me my car was seen on a public road without tax. It was in a seaside town down South somewhere. I wrote to them explaining that i had never even been to this place and the car was taxed when they said it wasn't. I told them where and when it had been taxed. They checked the records (which they should have done in the first place) and all charges were dropped. It could have been a very simple case of someone reporting an untaxed car and writing down the wrong reg etc.

 

I think it's pretty easy to prove when the car IS taxed, MOT's and insured as it's all there logged on the various databases by the DVLA, insurance companies etc but it becomes harder to prove that your car was not on a road when it's not insured, taxed or MOT'd. When you declare a SORN you're only declaring that you do not intend to use the vehicle surely but it doesn't actually prove anything does it?

 

If you are stopped at the roadside or pass one of those cameras that check or even are involved in an accident it's easy enough to know surely if your car is legally entitled to be on the road? Allowing for delays in databases to be updated of course.

 

So how does a SORN actually help or am i missing something? Let's say you drive past a ANPR camera, surely if you're not on a database of insured cars they just need to allow a couple of weeks to make sure the database is refreshed and send out a fine if you're not on there? Again how would it help if you had a SORN?

[Stevo309 0]

ok , now can someone stop this before it gets out of hand,

 

since I have started this this thread is officially closed.

 

thanx for all of your replies.

 

and no harm meant.

 

it seems to be that some people can't take a joke.

 

anyway I got few lines to throw at the arguements next time after this.

 

and please some of you try to debate politely without c-words.

 

thanx

 

happy new year ho ho ho ho ho ho

 

 

10 pages of replies, my personal record.

 

I don't think you need to apologise to be fair. Whether or not your facts were right you still raised an important topic and people don't have to read it or contribute if they don't want.

 

Frankly on a car forum I fail to see how it's less important or less valid a use of screen space than discussing the smell of farts in the bath.

Edited December 13, 2010 by Stevo309

[johnnyboy666 195 1 Cars]

when you buy a new car you should have insurance before driving it away.

If you have your car sorned and off the road you do not need insurance, but you can get it!

 

thats what i was getting at, people will be transfering insurance before selling the car, and thus SORNing it also. so even if you do have insurance on the car before you go to pick it up it is void because it has no tax. and we all know how long it takes for the v5 to come through.

i think car transportation firms could do quite well out of this

people will be more likely to get a car fetched for them, than to go through all this red tape malarky

[Cameron 16]

Please, the farts thread is way more insightful than this crap.

 

Ps, if you don't want to be called names maybe you should drop the "us vs them" attitude you seem to have. I don't know if you meant to sound like a racist but that's definitely how it came across. So if you have to be narrow-minded then at least try and keep it hidden when on public forums. This is a community, not just a website, and many people (like me) take great offence to racist remarks.

[Anthony 1,003]

So how does a SORN actually help or am i missing something? Let's say you drive past a ANPR camera, surely if you're not on a database of insured cars they just need to allow a couple of weeks to make sure the database is refreshed and send out a fine if you're not on there? Again how would it help if you had a SORN?

In my opinion, it doesn't help solve the underlying problem of untaxed or uninsured cars.

 

All it does is provides a simple, semi-automated method of fining otherwise generally law-abiding members of the public for what is usually an oversight. The people who are the real root of the problem are uneffected, because they either won't pay the fines or don't have the cars registered to them in the first place.

 

If they really wanted to do something about the problem, they'd put more traffic police on the roads, they'd have much tougher penalties for driving without tax, insurance etc (currently it's frequently less than doing so legally) and they'd stop being afraid to target particular communities and areas where driving without insurance etc are rife. This however costs money and man hours, and risks stirring up tensions.

 

Much easier to just pay lip service to solving the problem and (probably) raise a net profit from doing so.

[mfield 20]

Please, the farts thread is way more insightful than this crap.

 

Ps, if you don't want to be called names maybe you should drop the "us vs them" attitude you seem to have. I don't know if you meant to sound like a racist but that's definitely how it came across. So if you have to be narrow-minded then at least try and keep it hidden when on public forums. This is a community, not just a website, and many people (like me) take great offence to racist remarks.

 

 

As much as I think the OP came across in irrational manner I really can't see where you've picked up the racial undertones ?

 

I thought he implied you were a closed mind, unwilling to question the establishment and live your life as a sheep. It was a big assumption on his part based on opinion and not fact, what am I missing ?

[jeremy 70]

In my opinion, it doesn't help solve the underlying problem of untaxed or uninsured cars.

 

All it does is provides a simple, semi-automated method of fining otherwise generally law-abiding members of the public for what is usually an oversight. The people who are the real root of the problem are uneffected, because they either won't pay the fines or don't have the cars registered to them in the first place.

 

If they really wanted to do something about the problem, they'd put more traffic police on the roads, they'd have much tougher penalties for driving without tax, insurance etc (currently it's frequently less than doing so legally) and they'd stop being afraid to target particular communities and areas where driving without insurance etc are rife. This however costs money and man hours, and risks stirring up tensions.

 

Much easier to just pay lip service to solving the problem and (probably) raise a net profit from doing so.

 

Yeah what he said. I'd vote for you Anthony if you ever stood for the law of common sence and justice to those actually wanting a life of simple living.

Edited December 13, 2010 by jeremy