I've Been Thinking.

[lfallgti 12]

Right, as i'm off work at the minute after a little altercation involving my fingers and a sheet metal guillotine i've had a bit more time on my hands than usual, (cue puns). After reading through old posts and generally loitering on the forum, i came across an old phase1-phase 2 differences topic. I can feel the heat already.

 

Now, after reading, and thinking about this far too much, I ask the question. Why do we not have 1,2,3 phases? Surely the biggest change in the life of the 205 was the dash overhaul and to a lesser extent the wing mirrors,which were present on the phase 1.5 cars. Everything else stayed the same. I know the seats changed pattern but the actual design didnt change (e.g 206 gti-206 gti 180). Apart from colour changes why is phase 2 as we know it not phase 3? Or phase 2.5 if the changes are so minor.

 

Who said we'll call this a phase 1.5? When from a buyers point of view it's remarkably different inside the car than a phase 1 and is far closer to a 2.

 

 

I know, i have far too much time spare at the minute and i've had to hold back on what i wanted to write as i'll be here all day.

I'm sure it's all been covered before and i prepare to be scalded.

[Tom Fenton 1,542]

It is a valid point, but then look at other comtemporaries- the Mk2 Golf has "small bumper" and "big bumper" to differentiate, the Mk 4 Escort Turbo has "90 spec" to differentiate between spec of the later cars etc. All weird and wonderful conventions.

 

Peugeot themselves do differentiate between early and late- look on servicebox and you will see there is something like "205 >MY91" and 205 MY91>"

[GLPoomobile 958]

I'm hypothosising, but I'd guess that when Ph1.5 took place, whoever it was that decided to call it Ph1.5 did so becuase the changes at the time were fairly minor. More of an update to the car than a redesign. If you look at other cars, typically a change of phase or "mark" will be when there is a significant redesign of the model.

 

I guess at that point in time (what we now know as) Ph2 wasn't on the horizon, so considering the minor changes they just decided to consider it a Ph1.5 than a Ph2. Ph2 also wasn't much of a significant change compared to Ph1.5 either, but I guess they had to go with Ph2 as they'd already done Ph1.5, and something like Ph1.6 or Ph1.75 would have been s*it

[lfallgti 12]

I see what you're saying, but wouldn't calling it a phase 1.5 suggest a phase 2 was planned whilst a phase 1 was still in production.

[Batfink 201]

it was a half arsed job so did not deserve a whole phase point. Hence 1.5

[Baz 421]

Yep, half-assed using bits from both other phases and not always the same, also were only available for a relatively short time.

[Atari Boy 11]

So how do the the Australian Series 1 and 2 (is there a S3?) tie in with the whole Ph 1, 1.5, 2 system?

[jackherer 543]

Both systems are simply made up by people on the internet, as has been said Peugeot only differentiate pre and post 1991 models. Apart from that it was a constant process of evolution: http://www.205gtidrivers.com/info/history.html

[lfallgti 12]

I may be wrong,but weren't the aussie 1.6's known as sri's or something similar?

[miamichris 9]

Right, as i'm off work at the minute after a little altercation involving my fingers and a sheet metal guillotine i've had a bit more time on my hands than usual, (cue puns). After reading through old posts and generally loitering on the forum, i came across an old phase1-phase 2 differences topic. I can feel the heat already.

 

Now, after reading, and thinking about this far too much, I ask the question. Why do we not have 1,2,3 phases? Surely the biggest change in the life of the 205 was the dash overhaul and to a lesser extent the wing mirrors,which were present on the phase 1.5 cars. Everything else stayed the same. I know the seats changed pattern but the actual design didnt change (e.g 206 gti-206 gti 180). Apart from colour changes why is phase 2 as we know it not phase 3? Or phase 2.5 if the changes are so minor.

 

Who said we'll call this a phase 1.5? When from a buyers point of view it's remarkably different inside the car than a phase 1 and is far closer to a 2.

 

 

I know, i have far too much time spare at the minute and i've had to hold back on what i wanted to write as i'll be here all day.

I'm sure it's all been covered before and i prepare to be scalded.

 

Eh...have you still got your fingers after that altercation?

[lfallgti 12]

Eh...have you still got your fingers after that altercation?

 

 

Yes, cut one in half and bruised 2 others, but has all been stitched back together now. Fortunately.

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

Even some of the History if wrong, as we all know the 115 engine came out in April 1986, only a month I know but it's still there, This was my first every 205 so remember it well

If you have a seacrh you';ll find lots of cross overs,

 

Phase 1 had the large handled Mirrors of a more above the window line design

Phase 1.5 had cross over trim level's until phase 2 came around and then it changed late in life to name a few before I go out

 

Then I have (I think) the only factory GTI spec Cat (Auto) equiped CTi in the UK which was like it from the factory, even on service box it all checks out

Edited October 26, 2010 by Miles

[lfallgti 12]

Miles, just noticed in your sig about having A/C in a CTI. Seems even more bizarre now.

[pug_ham 244 3 Cars]

I kinda agree but think that it ought to really be a phase 1, phase 2 & phase 2.5 rather than 1, 1.5 & 2.5.

 

The biggest changes came between the phase 1 & 1.5 imo with a whole new interior design (changed several times in its life) & a trim colour difference, the phase two simply took on a different colour for the trim, different indicators & rear lighting.

 

Admittedly from the outside the biggest noticable change was the lights for the phase 2(2.5? ) models.

 

Graham.

[lfallgti 12]

I kinda agree but think that it ought to really be a phase 1, phase 2 & phase 2.5 rather than 1, 1.5 & 2.5.

 

The biggest changes came between the phase 1 & 1.5 imo with a whole new interior design (changed several times in its life) & a trim colour difference, the phase two simply took on a different colour for the trim, different indicators & rear lighting.

 

Admittedly from the outside the biggest noticable change was the lights for the phase 2(2.5? ) models.

 

Graham.

 

 

Yeah, i guess that's what i was trying to get at in the O.P. The major change from phase 1-1.5 would, or should warrant a whole phase number rather than the phase 2's by just getting a different colour.

Edited October 27, 2010 by lfallgti

[Henry Yorke 269 3 Cars]

The later grey carpet and red check door cards are sometimes called a phase 2.5 interior. As has been said, Phase 1 and Phase 2 are really differentiated externally with rear lights and front indicators. Phase 1.5 got the new dash (as well as the TU series engine and a different boot).

 

And there are 2 phase 1's too, early and late which you can tell by the switchgear on the steering column.

[pug_ham 244 3 Cars]

And there are 2 phase 1's too, early and late which you can tell by the switchgear on the steering column.

And wing mirrors.

 

Graham

[lfallgti 12]

The later grey carpet and red check door cards are sometimes called a phase 2.5 interior. As has been said, Phase 1 and Phase 2 are really differentiated externally with rear lights and front indicators. Phase 1.5 got the new dash (as well as the TU series engine and a different boot).

 

And there are 2 phase 1's too, early and late which you can tell by the switchgear on the steering column.

 

 

For my very first car i had a D reg 205 1.1, not sure of the model but it was 3 door and had a 4 speed box, the switches for the indicators were a kind of squarish shape would that count as phase 1 phase 1?, if you get what i mean.

 

 

If that is the case, by peugeots logic, shouldn't such a minor change warrant a phase change thus making a phase 1.5 actually a 2 and a phase 2 as we know it actually a phase 2.5 or the later check doorcards/grey carpets phase 3? Or ignoring the .5's, 4 phases.

 

Sorry, this is getting terribly confusing, And i need to get back to work asap me thinks. Damn guillotine.