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tomcolinjones

My 205 Xs To Vts Conversion

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tomcolinjones

hi, i am rubbish at forum stuf.

i am quite experianced with the 8v's but have never realy looked at fitting the m.i until i had a go in a standard 2.0l and got the bug lol! i was planning on fitting the 1.6 16v, but mite as well goe for the daddy of engines lol!

 

i will soon be collecting my 2.0l mi16 engine from bristol, as soon as i can use the old man's van lol/.

it is going into my current road rally car xs.

at the moment it is running with a 4/2/1 exhasut manifold, and a weber dgv carb. and it does go like hell for a 1.4!

this will be for sale shortly, done 62,509 miles. make me an offer if ur interested, along with xs box, and shafts.

 

i have standard gti 1.9 front sus 1.9 rear beam and bilsteins gr,n. dampers. omp 10 point cage, 4 point harnes's, cobra imola seats, ds2500 pads all round, black diamond hoses.

 

i have a gti subframe to fit, with 309 bottom arms. ( do i need 309 shafts?)

i have a be1 1.9 box, also the mi16 comes with its own box, and i have a be3 1.6 box and i am undecided which to fit.

i have sourced a gti tank, clocks, and interior and engine loom, the mi16 comes with its own loom ecu gearbox manifolds etc.

will the engine fit streight in? or do i need to shorten manifolds like the 1.9 16v?

 

is there anything i should do to the engine before it goes in? i was planning on giving it a good clean, and mayb a lick of paint. also considering ripping the head off and getting it polished and ported, along witht the manifolds. and maybe a set of new exhasut valves and stem seals, and if there are not too many bits of metal in the sump i will leave the bottom end alone lol!

 

its a shame i scrapped my gti shell after i put it through a hedge a few years ago, all this wiring and pumps etc would come in handy now lol.

so the questions i need answering for now are:

 

 

1. do i need to shorten/ modify the manifolds to fit the 2.0l mi16 engine into my 205?

2. which gearbox is suited to road rallying, and general fast road use?

3. are there any common faults with the engine, and is there anything i should do before i fit it to the car?

4. does anyone know of a good company that can join the looms?

5. 8v/16v ecu?

6. worth polishing / porting the head and manifolds?

7. do i need 309 driveshafts with 309 bottom arms?

 

i hope you reply soon, as work starts friday, i will upload pics of the whole conversion, as i have not yet seen a xs shell conversion.

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tomcolinjones

please ignore the overspray on the tyres lol. the old 406 is in the background lol. taken last year, after i fitted the weber.

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tomcolinjones

more pics, the n/s is faded 'red 205 style' lol, and someone decided to paint the tyres as well as the wheels!

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Simes

All the answers you need can be found in more detail on the forum - May I suggest for a more detailed response you ask these questions in the right forums....:lol: but in summary

 

1. do i need to shorten/ modify the manifolds to fit the 2.0l mi16 engine into my 205? -

 

Yes or use a different exhaust manifold. The inlet can stay the same although you'll need to modify the fan cowling or you can cut and reweld and leave the cowling alone.

 

2. which gearbox is suited to road rallying, and general fast road use? - The Mi16 box is a good all rounder

 

3. are there any common faults with the engine, and is there anything i should do before i fit it to the car? As with any engine do the normal service things, replacing the big end bearings isn't a bad idea.

 

4. does anyone know of a good company that can join the looms? It is quite straight forward I(all the info is on here) shouldn't take long to do. I recommend Miles from this forum

 

5. 8v/16v ecu? Use the ECU for the engine you're going to have - ie. Bin the 8v jetronic (pre-historic) and use the Motronic and ALL of it's related kit

 

6. worth polishing / porting the head and manifolds? Not really.

 

7. do i need 309 driveshafts with 309 bottom arms? They are preferred as you'll find the shorter shafts can pop out on tight turns.

 

 

EDIT: You've got a lot of addtional prep work to with it being an XS - a GTI is much easier to do...ie. less hassle with the fuel system. You'll need the correct top mount for the engine too.

 

Good luck and have fun - :lol::)

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Miles

The 2.0 you can use the Std manifolds without any mods at all, you may need a larger D/P flange depending on type thou, The inlet just needs a couple of small nick's out of the slam to clear,

But having just changed one of these to a 4-2-1 it made a huge differance on power, the Iron manifold isn;t that good.

 

As said check the bearings, A common problem on most XU engine's.

 

If the engine comes with a ECU make sure it's unlocked

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tomcolinjones

so, in summery then i can use the standard manifolds, and it is best to use everything mi16? how much are we talking for a 421? change the main bearings for the price they cost.

is the mount in the same place for the xu as the tu?

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so, in summery then i can use the standard manifolds, and it is best to use everything mi16? how much are we talking for a 421? change the main bearings for the price they cost.

is the mount in the same place for the xu as the tu?

 

Yes if it is the 2l Mi16 - the 1905cc (alloy block) would be as I described in my first reply.

Yes all the Mi16 components - loom, AFM, coil, etc etc basically everything plugged into the engine loom on the donor and the loom.

Contact Miles - he sells them

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Yep the engine mount attaches to the chassis in the same place. The XU mount is different for the 16v compared to the 8v

 

Have a look through the forum especially the projects section - all your questions have been asked many times and so all the answers are already there for you :rolleyes:

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Miles

The lower mount is different I think on TU subframes but I'm not 100% sure but a easy swap as the holes are there anyway.

The 4-2-1 for the XU10 engine please PM me for price as I have these to special order now due to the differance between them and the XU9 engine.

Make sure the ACAV works thou

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tomcolinjones
The lower mount is different I think on TU subframes but I'm not 100% sure but a easy swap as the holes are there anyway.

The 4-2-1 for the XU10 engine please PM me for price as I have these to special order now due to the differance between them and the XU9 engine.

Make sure the ACAV works thou

 

 

i have a gti subframe to fit, with 309 gti bottom arms, will i need 309 shafts? collecting engine satday

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tomcolinjones

pic with the 1.6 wheels, with gravel tyres. had to use spacers to fit over 1.9 brakes.

now has bilsteins front and rear, with gravel spec springs. solid rear beam mounts, hydraulic handbrake, mintex pads.

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omega

dont think you will get a mot with a hydraulic handbrake unless you know a tester

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dont think you will get a mot with a hydraulic handbrake unless you know a tester

 

cables are still in place and are used when handbrake is applied, h/b master cylinder is fitted to same handbrake lever, so cables and rear brakes are aplied at same time. no reason not to pass an mot, they only check if cables are working, and it works, doesnt stick on. and a huge imbalance can fail you also.

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tomcolinjones

i have tried searching.

 

is it worth fitting the 16v head to the 8v block? will the pistons swap over? or does it need to be boared out? just thinking that the alloy block will be a lot lighter, and if it goes on easy enough, i e not too much machining, i would go for it. as i have a 8v block here.

if it is too miuch work then i wont bother. but would be nice to do.

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Vili
i have tried searching.

 

is it worth fitting the 16v head to the 8v block? will the pistons swap over? or does it need to be boared out? just thinking that the alloy block will be a lot lighter, and if it goes on easy enough, i e not too much machining, i would go for it. as i have a 8v block here.

if it is too miuch work then i wont bother. but would be nice to do.

 

No it's not.

The pistons won't swap over because the 8v uses 83mm bore vs. 86mm of the 2.0 16V. Liners can't bored out the required 3mm. Also the 2.0 conrods are too long for alloy block and the 1.9 8V conrods don't fit the 2.0 16V pistons. But the thing you could do is to use the alloy block crankshaft in iron block to gain extra 2mm of stroke i e some cc and compression.

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No it's not.

The pistons won't swap over because the 8v uses 83mm bore vs. 86mm of the 2.0 16V. Liners can't bored out the required 3mm. Also the 2.0 conrods are too long for alloy block and the 1.9 8V conrods don't fit the 2.0 16V pistons. But the thing you could do is to use the alloy block crankshaft in iron block to gain extra 2mm of stroke i e some cc and compression.

 

thanks for the reply, ill give it a miss then lol!

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tomcolinjones

here she is. piked it up this morning in a borrowed combo van, was a nice experiance down to bristol!

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tomcolinjones

i need to find someone with a engine lift, so i can get her out of the van, and take the box/ manifolds and head off.

going to send the head to get pressure tested and cleaned as i think it has done a few miles.

whats the best stuff for cleaning the 18 years worth of oil and dirt off the block/ box?

i have to source a 2.0l ecu, and a loom that someone said they can make me a loom to suit the xs, just have to run a seperate oil pressure gauge if i want one. which sounds easyer lol. and the fuel pump will be turned on via switch instead of coming on with ignition, but i guess i could relay this.

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tomcolinjones

got the engine out of the van 'hired a engine hoist' have removed the mi16 gearbox, and most of the loom, and the manifolds.

whel i look down all of the inlet ports, the top four, i can see a yellow part on what looks like the inlet valve, is this normal?

 

see picture.

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stefan

Yes, that's the valve guides. If the ports are clean that may be an indication that someone has been doing something to the engine, the head could have been removed for some reason...

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blessed6383

isn't that an 8v exhaust manifold fitted on a 16v? never seen one of them on a valve!

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welshpug

its a 2.0 they're a ll cast on the 2.0 though a slightly different angle between 306 and 405 apparently

 

8v would not fit.

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Yes, that's the valve guides. If the ports are clean that may be an indication that someone has been doing something to the engine, the head could have been removed for some reason...

 

the head is off now, and the gasket looked pretty new, and the cams have been marked up in and ex, so im guessing its been off recently, just hope it hasnt had a snap and soem new valves lol.

i dont think im gunna get it pressure tested, borrowing a streight edge tomorrow, if i cant see much warping, it will go back on. any ideas for a headgasket? performance one or just a standard one?

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its definately a 8 port manifold, gunna get a 4 branch on it, saves messing about with echasuts e.t.c and does give a bit more poke.

 

should i fit standard head gasket or performance one? and is a motaquip belt kit ok?

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welshpug

motaquip is owned by peugeot, i've found most of their stuff is pretty close or actually is o.e, many Dealers use Motaquip service parts on older cars.

 

I'd use the gti6 headgasket, its a Multi layer steel one so the same as most "performance" headgaskets"

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motaquip is owned by peugeot, i've found most of their stuff is pretty close or actually is o.e, many Dealers use Motaquip service parts on older cars.

 

I'd use the gti6 headgasket, its a Multi layer steel one so the same as most "performance" headgaskets"

 

great, i cross referenced the gti 6 and mi16 gaskets and got different part numbers so i thaught they where completely different

the mi16 is xu10j4 and the gti6 is xu10j4rs an i rite?

 

if you say the gti6 will fit i will go for that.

 

i have damaged 2 injectors getting them out, can i fit gti6 ones? will this make any improvments with a map?

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