Fed Up, Lost Interest

[DaveW 6]

So is everyone going back to 8v or what

[Veero 1]

Similar boat. Thinking of selling up completely, just don't use it anymore.

[damien 22 1 Cars]

There is generally nothing wrong with the car it’s just the engine i ve lost hope in after spending so much and getting so little back.

 

When I picked the car up after getting the engine fitted I was warned that I should get the cam timing look at as its got Kent cams and they did not have the means to set the timing right so they just set it the same as the normal gti6 cams. They also said I should get it remapped ASAP.

I just feel that the engine playing up is my fault as I never got these things done even though I was told to, now i m stuck with a duff engine.

 

Throwing it in a garage is all good and well but if I end up leaving her standing too long I would end up spending even more money trying to get it mot’ed again, the brakes/beam would end up seizing up.

 

Going back to an 8v is all good and well but how many gti6 owners out there would go back to an 8v lump? If I still had the old engine I would get it back in but now i ve broken it up and sold it off i m kind of stuck with the 16v.

If I have £400/£500 I would just get myself another gti6 engine and fit that but I just don’t have that money at the moment.

 

 

heres a video of the engine tapping

[peter 20]

So is everyone going back to 8v or what tongue.gif

 

Yeah 8v turbo that is!

 

By the way my friend has the exact same problem with his gti6 engine!

Apparently if the sump has been put on with instant gasket it can starve the head of oil a mechanic told me...

 

Personly i think the said mechanic is retard (he told me i needed to fit a fan to cool my exhaust manifold as it was glowing orange due to the timing being out) so i didnt pay any atention to him!

 

But if you find out what it is let me know!

 

Keep the 205! I would rather have the 205 rather than 99% of the cars out there!

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

Knowing what these engines are like for Cam timing, Getting it checked afterwards isn;t good enough, as even with a couple of turns of the engine the valves can bend which will not be your fault, Again the re-map has nothing to do with it.

 

Best thing for the engine installer was not to install the cams without the tools to hand

[Alastairh 47]

Agreed with Miles. Take a look over on the 306 forum at one of welshpugs threads about aftermarket cams etc. The tolerences are so tight, many people in the know point blag to refuse to fit them, never mind fitting them without the relevent measuring equipment. As far as im concerned, it may be a little harsh, but it was a ticking time bomb.

 

If it helps, i have a good STD head here, with STD cams, or even a complete engine, which could get the car back on the road and then the old engine could be removed and parts sold to recoup costs / have it out with the engine builder.

 

Al

Edited August 25, 2010 by Alastairh

[CaptainK 11]

OMG Damien - I can't believe you're thinking of ditching your 205. You know I loved yours as it looked mint on the Eurotrip.

 

I too had "issues" with my GTi6 install and lost interest for a while. The first install led to a duff engine in less than 500 miles. This was due to a cowboy who fitted it covering up a duff engine with really really thick treacle oil. It rattled lots and died. Had the whole thing taken out and completely rebuilt by Dan Taylor and an Engine Building company and also had it fitted with Catcams as well. These too were initially set to standard GTi6 settings I believe, which worked fine and thats how it was running on the Eurotrip too with no issues. It was only when I put the ITBs on and had it mapped by Sandy that the exhaust timing for my Catcams was fractionally out I think and was changed.

 

All I all I've spent far FAR too much money on my 205 with the engine conversion and for a while (after the original install died) I wished I hadn't bothered and I missed my 8v. But I left it parked up for a fair few months and came back to it and had regained my enthusiasm. Now its all running perfectly, I just love it to bits.

 

As said above, can you not take it back to the engine builders ? The engine should have some warranty / guarantee for the work they have done (I got a year / XXXXXX mileage warranty for my rebuild), and their excuse of "we don't know the timing" is rubbish as they could have just contacted Kent and asked them using the cam model number. If in doubt, they should have said no etc.

 

Stick with it though and come back to it in a few months time

[james_pug 26 1 Cars]

Damien have you spoken to whoever did the conversion/rebuild?

 

I'm sure if it came to it you could sell the cams and management to pay for a std gti6 engine,loom and ecu and I'm sure me and pete could be persuaded to change it for you.

[Edp 67 3 Cars]

Stick a decent 8v back in it.

 

 

This what i'm going to do with my Sorrento. IMHO Gti6 engine just dosen't suit the 205 one bit, far too heavy.

[damien 22 1 Cars]

i have spoken/messaged the persion that did the converstion and they have offered to have a look but now the mot/tax/insurnace is out i have no way of shifting it also i know it will cost more money once they have found out whats wrong.

straght away i'll be needing a recon head again, straght away thats a good £300 then the extra parts like gasget/bolts then all the extras on top. then having a look why its low on compresstion will end up costing more and more.

 

i dont want to end up having a fall out with the persions that did the convertion, because im "mates" with them and knowing that the engine packing up is more myown falt not what they have done.

[2-Pugs 57]

I think you need to forget about it for a month or two and don't spend any more right now. Then come back to it it with a clear head and renewed enthusiasm. Happens to all of us at some point, I would say.

 

FWIW I would also tend to agree with the folks recommending that you refit a standard 8v engine in. Things can never be that bad, or expensive with them, purely because there are that many secondhand ones about that you can swap out if need be.

[damien 22 1 Cars]

ive decided that im just going to break the car for parts, i just cant be bothered with the crap of getting another engine only to find out its duff and wasting more time/money with it.

 

i mite look into using the money from breaking to get a cheap 1.6.

 

keep a eye on the parts for sale fourm.

[Tom Fenton 1,541]

I think that is a rash decision. As others have said, put it away for a couple of months and save up, then tackle the problems then.

[Anthony 1,003]

i mite look into using the money from breaking to get a cheap 1.6.

If the only issue is the engine, then you'd be crazy to do that in my opinion - breaking and scrapping a car that you've had many years and has only recently caused you issues following a flawed engine conversion, and instead buying a replacement that could quite potentially have far more things wrong with it and need far more time, effort, and money spending on it to bring upto scratch than just an engine.

[Tesstuff 222]

I will add my view on this as it is one of my very favourite cars on here and i have always admired from afar your car and how you kept it.

 

A lot of great advice within this thread and i do concur that giving it some time is the best way forward.

 

Unless only you know of other reasons that it has to go or you really want it gone.

 

The unbiased views here are few because of the love of the 205 connection we all have, but despite that it is easy to see some good solid advice in here.

 

I think there are enough friends on here to get you through this period without it costing you an arm and a leg. That seems clear to me.

 

Only you know the real issues and reasons, so only you can make the educated decision.

 

But please keep it mate.

[JRL 14 1 Cars]

Friends and family say i have spent too much on my 205 i have had for 5 years. but id rather spend my money on one car and keep it rather than selling, buying, changing, part-xing swapping, Keep it, otherwise in time you will only want another one.

[muton53398 0]

I know the pain of letting a car with a few issues slip through your fingers and then searching the reg and finding show pictures online.

 

Put it somewhere safe, come back to it in 12 months, it's not going to depreciate, simples.

[damien 22 1 Cars]

after much bulling from some members on the pm system ive decived to take everyones advice and dump it up my mothers in one of her barns.

 

just a shame that one bad engine has made me lost complete intrest in the car i loved, after looking over all the pms/messages ive worked out ive spend over 2k on it.

im still unsure on what to do in the long run, try to find out whats wrong with the engine and repare the damaged? but £300+ for a recon head or £400 for a complete engine? get hold of a running gti6 and have the engine out of that? take a step back to a 8v lump or have a look at other engine options i.e v6/8v turbo etc

[welshpug 1,657]

imo, if you want to use it sooner rather than later, stick an 8 valver in, if you have aftermarket management run it on that as they make such a difference.

 

if you dont mind waiting a bit and want to stick to 16v then I'd get the engine looked at rather than swapping heads etc as thats no guarantee it'll run properly, most used heads you havent a clue of their mileage or history, how much has been skimmed etc.

[boombang 2]

If you were changing back to 8valve with aftermarket management, you'll need to remap though - or find a map from someone already then perhaps tweak it. If the map is fine for a standard Gti-6 lump lump it's a no brainer to me.

 

I'd find a bit of time to whip the head off.

 

If no piston damage, then you know you'll only need a head - and sure someone on here would do you a deal on a known good head. To "refresh" it with new stem seals, cleaning lifters and re-grinding valve seats would cost very little and is a neat little project that might get you back into enjoying the car.

 

Then put back together and you're away again.

 

If there are bad markings on pistons (which by sounds of things is unlikely) then time to work out if you want to do a whole engine or offload the entire car.

Edited August 28, 2010 by boombang

[MrG 3]

taking time out is a good thing IMO, stick it up there, overinflate the tyres (or whack it on jacks) and wait a while.

 

Pugtorque has a good conversion on his 8v, no afm etc, i think its from a BX, that certainly performs well.

[DrSarty 90 1 Cars]

Oh Damo. I know and saw how much you (both) love that car. DO NOT PART WITH IT!

 

I agree that a rest will do you good.

 

Now many know I have lots of bits including a few engines to sell, but let me categorically state I am not jumping on this as an opportunity from a financial point of view, as you have made your case quite clear.

 

The problem here is the engine and timing. When I say 'timing', I don't mean the engine, I mean everything seemingly happening all at once; it happens to us all. This is why the store it and leave it (for a bit) advice is IMO the best course of action.

 

I would - providing you are still mobile - discuss seriously your issues with the engine and its installation, which is the root cause of this problem. I would appeal to the person's better/professional nature and get that engine removed completely. Whether it gets repaired and re-installed or not is up to you, but personally I'd just have it removed as it's clearly not fit for purpose. To that end, I and I suspect plenty others would help you FOC to remove that engine, place it on a pallet and get a refund.

 

Then you are back with your trouble free car, only without an engine. It is a stonking car Damo and it shows how much you've cared for it.

 

Then, in time, and when funds allow get another engine. I would gladly offer to install FOC either of my 16v engines; one is an S16 and the other an Mi. You pay parts and I'll install. This is a standing offer whilst the engines are available.

 

Even then, if it's neither of mine and if I'm about when it's time to install whatever engine you find/can afford, I'll muck in.

 

Keep it. Sort out your engine deal and get a refund. Save. Refind the love. Install a new engine with the assistance I and I'm confident a few others will offer. Then REALLY fall in love all over again, and keep her on the road in your name.

 

Rich

[pugpete1108 62 1 Cars]

Oh Damo. I know and saw how much you (both) love that car. DO NOT PART WITH IT!

 

I agree that a rest will do you good.

 

Now many know I have lots of bits including a few engines to sell, but let me categorically state I am not jumping on this as an opportunity from a financial point of view, as you have made your case quite clear.

 

The problem here is the engine and timing. When I say 'timing', I don't mean the engine, I mean everything seemingly happening all at once; it happens to us all. This is why the store it and leave it (for a bit) advice is IMO the best course of action.

 

I would - providing you are still mobile - discuss seriously your issues with the engine and its installation, which is the root cause of this problem. I would appeal to the person's better/professional nature and get that engine removed completely. Whether it gets repaired and re-installed or not is up to you, but personally I'd just have it removed as it's clearly not fit for purpose. To that end, I and I suspect plenty others would help you FOC to remove that engine, place it on a pallet and get a refund.

 

Then you are back with your trouble free car, only without an engine. It is a stonking car Damo and it shows how much you've cared for it.

 

Then, in time, and when funds allow get another engine. I would gladly offer to install FOC either of my 16v engines; one is an S16 and the other an Mi. You pay parts and I'll install. This is a standing offer whilst the engines are available.

 

Even then, if it's neither of mine and if I'm about when it's time to install whatever engine you find/can afford, I'll muck in.

 

Keep it. Sort out your engine deal and get a refund. Save. Refind the love. Install a new engine with the assistance I and I'm confident a few others will offer. Then REALLY fall in love all over again, and keep her on the road in your name.

 

Rich

 

good advice Rich.

 

may well be best to whip ot the complete engine and source another std one with the loom ecu etc and just run std managment.

 

the bodies and kms will grant you enough cash to buy a well known setup or even a complete doner car

 

stick it up on stands or bricks even and let me know and we can have the engine out in a day easy. if the bottom end is good im sure you can sell that on and even the head for a rebuild.

 

if you buy one of Rich's engines i'll give him a hand with the fitting no worries for some tea and a bacon sandwich

 

you know you've made the right choice mate, it will be sweet again.

 

pete

[damien 22 1 Cars]

good advice Rich.

 

may well be best to whip ot the complete engine and source another std one with the loom ecu etc and just run std managment.

 

the bodies and kms will grant you enough cash to buy a well known setup or even a complete doner car

 

stick it up on stands or bricks even and let me know and we can have the engine out in a day easy. if the bottom end is good im sure you can sell that on and even the head for a rebuild.

 

if you buy one of Rich's engines i'll give him a hand with the fitting no worries for some tea and a bacon sandwich

 

you know you've made the right choice mate, it will be sweet again.

 

pete

 

I just hijacked Damiens account lol i have been telling him exactly what you guys have written I know he would never forgive himself if he got rid of the 205 he knows i wouldnt either. Dont worry the cars safe i wont let him get rid of it. I know with time he will get that bug back again

[pugpete1108 62 1 Cars]

I just hijacked Damiens account lol i have been telling him exactly what you guys have written I know he would never forgive himself if he got rid of the 205 he knows i wouldnt either. Dont worry the cars safe i wont let him get rid of it. I know with time he will get that bug back again

 

well done sarah he's well and truly been told