206 Vs 205

[Guest Kit]

I was wondering, are there any advantages to tuning a 206 over a 205 for track/fast road?

 

EDIT: This isn't me trolling or anything just incase it's interpretted that way

Edited August 16, 2010 by Kit

[welshpug 1,657]

Depends which one you start with, both have the same inherent issues with rear damping, 206 beams wear out quicker.

 

206 has the EW10 in it as standard, they are stiffer bodyshells and do seem to be holding up against corrosion quite well.

 

Downsides, they cost more to buy, but not really any more to run bar fuel costs where they can be better.

[fulani 4]

Erm...weight?

[welshpug 1,657]

2-300 kilos, depends how light the 205 is !

 

1.1 206 weighs 985, but a 2.0 16v is listed as 1159.

[Batfink 201]

driving position is not particularly good in the 206, designed for people with long arms and short legs...basically orang-utans

[BusEngineer 7]

Completely agree with the driving position problem, my missus 206 gives me hellish backache after about 45 mins behind the wheel, just cant get sat right in it, seat is too high and pedals too close/steering wheel to far away problem!! hate the damn thing! And i think the steering lacks feel, its too light

[swordfish210 20]

i think the steering lacks feel, its too light

 

I remember the steering in my mums 206 being so light i swore it wasn't connected to the wheels. It handled like a sack of soggy s*it as well.

[Guest Kit]

I've had a 205 gti and ive got a 206 now, the steering is lighter than a 205 but it's not even close to terrible.

 

They certainly don't handle badly either, if anything it grips while cornering better than my old 205 but it doesnt seem so stable with high speed stuff funnily enough, however iirc the HDi has lower sport suspension?

 

Best compare a GTi vs a GTi and from what i've read the 206 GTi is a good little car!

 

That's beside the point though, weight seems to be the only real disadvantage since i'm 6ft 1" with long legs and arms and I don't have a problem?

Edited August 17, 2010 by Kit

[EdCherry 34 1 Cars]

Drive both a 205 GTi and my 206 HDi back to back and the 206 is honestly no where in the same league as the 205 if you ignore the engine. Even back to back with a 206 GTi id jump in the more raw 205 every time.

[Antix 0]

Only the 206 GTI 180 is comparable to a 205 GTI in actual performance & fun driving.

 

The 206 GTI 180 has heavier steering than the other 206's, a shorter-throw gearlever, revised gears, and the seats are lower than my 205's seats. Suspension on the 180 is stiffer and lower than the standard 206's (including the GTI 138).

 

The 206 GTI 180 is the car that the 206 GTI (138) should have been - a replacement for the 205 GTI 1.9

[fulani 4]

The 206 GTI 180 is the car that the 206 GTI (138) should have been - a replacement for the 205 GTI 1.9

 

It's still s*it though. The proper spiritual successor to the 205 GTI was alas from a different French stable - the Clio 172/182, especially the Cup versions.

[welshpug 1,657]

saying its "s*it" is taking it a bit far, I'd say flawed or not meeting the demands of a very small select group of enthusiasts, i.e not the majority of those that bought the millions of 206's sold

[fulani 4]

saying its "s*it" is taking it a bit far, I'd say flawed or not meeting the demands of a very small select group of enthusiasts, i.e not the majority of those that bought the millions of 206's sold

 

Seriously, when you compare the 206 to the competition at the time, I have no idea why anyone would buy one. My sister bought a 1.4 16v Quicksilver, and it's terrible. She likes it well enough, but then she doesn't know any better. Thankfully for Peugeot most of the car-buying public are the same. I'm surprised they didn't go under when they were flogging the 206 and 307 at the same time. Luckily I think the popularity of the CC models kept them afloat in Britain. I am the biggest Peugeot fan you're ever likely to meet, but even I can't defend the 206.

Weirdly though - the LHD version is much, much better.

[welshpug 1,657]

that must have been it, as they sold over 5 million of the damned things

 

edit, 6.8m apparently! 60k in the UK.

Edited August 17, 2010 by welshpug

[Guest Kit]

The 172/182 certainly received allot of attention from the press, good cars, definitely the best hardcore hot-hatch in it's class. Equally though i've never heard any of the things you've just stated about the 206 fulani, except maybe in the context of a sports car which even the 180 doesnt exactly shine in, the fact is that this car was pugs best selling car to date iirc and I can see why, they're very good, comfortable day to day cars, I understand why you would say such things though... I mean i'm posting about a 206 on a 205 forum, I would expect most people on the 206info forum to say the opposite for example.

 

It's nice that some people have been objective with their replies though, since you seem to be basing your opinion on your driving experience rather than the actual success the 206 has earned in everything from the domestic market to the rallying scene. The sporting models did fall flat on their faces though, i'll give you that.

 

Of course I could be completely wrong and you are entitled to your opinion... even if it is wrong jkjk

[EdCherry 34 1 Cars]

Post it up over on info and I will say the exact same thing.

 

The pedals are terrible as stated early, the seating position is pretty crap. I spend numerous hours every day in mine and its just not comfortable. The build quality is woeful to be honest, seat runners that have enough play in them that you could fit a whole afghan village in the gaps. I could go on.

 

Dont get me wrong they are an OK car, but the 205 has aged better, was built better and is generally a better car to drive.

[fulani 4]

since you seem to be basing your opinion on your driving experience rather than the actual success the 206 has earned in everything from the domestic market to the rallying scene.

 

Well I think we can discount the rally car entirely, being as it's just a spaceframe chassis with some 206-esque body panels!

 

I'm not doubting the success in terms of sales, I just think the success has to be based on something other than how good the car is/was. I have driven a fair few, including the GTi models and a couple of left hookers. The LHD cars felt far more solid, despite them being hire cars with epic mileage. My sister's Quicksilver is a good enough little car, and for her it looks cute, and was the right car at the right time at the right price. I have to say that I would have bought something else, probably a Clio if that was the sort of car I was after, or more likely a Skoda Fabia.

 

In terms of my experience, I guess I do like a direct, connected, sporty drive to my cars, and all versions of the 206 fail on those counts in my opinion. The GTi 180 was just about quick enough, but show it a corner (I drove it at Castle Combe) and it was all over the place. I'm sure my lap times (though we weren't allowed to time) were far slower than in my 205 GTI. The OP was asking about the comparable sporting prowess, and I have to say the 205 pisses all over the 206.

[Baz 421]

Not one of the Peugeot-built rally cars was spaceframed.

[DaveW 6]

Ive never driven a 206 but its one of those cars you get the feeling it would be just crap to drive and own

[Tom Fenton 1,542]

I've driven a few 206's, from my girlfriends-brothers-girlfriends 1100, to a HDI SW, to a GTI, to one of the GT's.

 

The crap driving position is just not defendable, it is terrible.

 

However other than that I thought the GTI and GT were a decent enough mildly sporting drive for the general public- let us remember that Joe Average is not into the dynamics of a car as "we" as a group of enthusiasts are. So Peugeot made a car that would appeal to a broad range of the "middle ground" of buyers- so that everyone from Grandpa to the 17yr old spoilt lad would be mildly amused.

 

The EW engine is pretty gutsy lower down for a 2.0 16v which in some ways makes up for the mild power output, at the time I did some work on the GT (which was only 2 years old at the time) I had a Xsara VTS- so with an extra 30bhp on tap the Xsara would be expected to be much faster- which is was once it had got going and was on the cams, but from a standing start the 206 was not as far behind as the figures would suggest.

[Batfink 201]

The chassis is actually quite nice. Its very chuckable. Not in the same league but cannot be considered bad. Sadly its the driver / car interaction that is the letdown. You want comfortable seats and a good driving position plus the right feedback through steering and pedals.

It was made a bit 'girly' and as it looked nice it worked for the market it was intended for..

[Antix 0]

It's still s*it though. The proper spiritual successor to the 205 GTI was alas from a different French stable - the Clio 172/182, especially the Cup versions.

 

My 180 beat a Clio 182 Trophy on track 4 times out of 5, so it's obviously down to the driver

[fulani 4]

My 180 beat a Clio 182 Trophy on track 4 times out of 5, so it's obviously down to the driver

 

I've been on track days where I have lapped Clio 182s time after time (as well as Porsches, Ferraris, Nobles etc.), and equally where I have been shown up by much lesser machinery with a talented driver at the helm. Trackdays prove nothing about car performance unless you compare cars with the same driver. And even then the driver might be more suited to a certain car's setup etc. etc.

[Richy_cti 0]

just a little comment on the who 206 rally car, its not a standard 206, pug made a limited number of the 206 gt witch has a longer body that the normal 206, and well lets be honist the metro 6r4 was a legandery rally car, the road going version errrr i would want to even drive one let alone fast.

 

i worked for a pug dealer in swansea and have driven a number of 206's inc the GT and roland garos aditions, and the driving possition is not the best, and there no where near as raw as the 205 gti is, but there different leauges the 205 was one of the origional hot hatchs, they were from an ages when comfort and safty wern't such a huge deal as today.

 

a 206 Gti is designed to be easy for an inexpereance drive to handle it with out any major issue, its SAFER simple as, u put a 17 year old in a 206 and let him go on a track and he will love it put him in the 205 he will end up in the tyre wall.

 

my 2p's worth

[toodumbtosmile 1]

I've had one 206GTI and two 205GTI's. The 206 was reasonably quick and the grip level was good, but somehow it was just dull; i view the 206 as digital to the 205's analogue.

 

I've heard the seating position described as long arm and short leg. Well i've got long arms and short legs and i still don't fit in one.

 

205 every time.