Sunroof Problems

[norm 0]

hi gang, just bought my h reg 205 gti with sliding sunroof the guy i bought it of tells me that a cable has gone thats why its not working and its a small job ? is this right or is he telling porkys

this is my first pug of which i have never worked on them, phoned my local dealership to be told they do'nt have records of the roof , so advise and nohow is needed

cheers norm

[blessed6383 0]

hi gang, just bought my h reg 205 gti with sliding sunroof the guy i bought it of tells me that a cable has gone thats why its not working and its a small job ? is this right or is he telling porkys

this is my first pug of which i have never worked on them, phoned my local dealership to be told they do'nt have records of the roof , so advise and nohow is needed

cheers norm

 

sounds like the guys there are just being useless or cant be bothered to look or tell you, as far as im aware it slides back and seals on a vacum so dont see why there would be cables fitted?????

[McDude 33]

sounds like the guys there are just being useless or cant be bothered to look or tell you, as far as im aware it slides back and seals on a vacum so dont see why there would be cables fitted?????

Unless it is one of the Britax aftermarket numbers - or could be a lesser known brand again, but the Britax ones were the most popular aftermarket sunny.

[steve@cornwall 100]

The factory suroof has a cable on the release catch, which retracts a ratchet that holds the sunroof in place. Chances are the nipple has pulled off that cable and now you can't release the ratchet to open the roof! Lever out the interior courtesy lamp and you will see a single phillips screw holding the roof "console" in place. With this out of the way all should be apparent. To replace the cable you need to remove the sunroof glass - too involved for this time of night / morning!.

 

I drilled a very small hole through a small bolt, passed the cable through and tightened a nut to it to secure the cable (like on a pushbike brake) then levered out the prongs that the old nipple sat in to accept the new arrangement. Been fine for 7 years since.

 

So - yes he's probably telling you the truth, the dealership probably haven't seen A 205 for years and it can be repaired fairly easily if you're a little inventive.

Edited June 28, 2010 by steve@cornwall

[norm 0]

The factory suroof has a cable on the release catch, which retracts a ratchet that holds the sunroof in place. Chances are the nipple has pulled off that cable and now you can't release the ratchet to open the roof! Lever out the interior courtesy lamp and you will see a single phillips screw holding the roof "console" in place. With this out of the way all should be apparent. To replace the cable you need to remove the sunroof glass - too involved for this time of night / morning!.

 

I drilled a very small hole through a small bolt, passed the cable through and tightened a nut to it to secure the cable (like on a pushbike brake) then levered out the prongs that the old nipple sat in to accept the new arrangement. Been fine for 7 years since.

 

So - yes he's probably telling you the truth, the dealership probably haven't seen A 205 for years and it can be repaired fairly easily if you're a little inventive.

many thanks for that steve got the car home today £60.00 from leeds -manchester been playing!! you guessed it boy and toy come to mind the nipple on the cable is still there been pulling it with long nose grips but how does it latch onto the release lever? in the map light console has a pit broke off i have drowned the runners in wd 40 it has freed the locking plate so more tomorrow will i need a new lever

cheers norm

ps looking forward to driving it

Edited June 29, 2010 by norm

[GLPoomobile 958]

Sorry that this is of no help to your problem, but PLEASE use some punctuation. It would make your posts so much easier to read.

 

I'm sure if you do a search you will find information on the sunroof mechanism. I know for a fact that this very problem has been covered in detail on a few occasions.

Edited June 30, 2010 by GLPoomobile

[norm 0]

Sorry that this is of no help to your problem, but PLEASE use some punctuation. It would make your posts so much easier to read.

 

I'm sure if you do a search you will find information on the sunroof mechanism. I know for a fact that this very problem has been covered in detail on a few occasions.

so give me the places where i can find the posted info

i see from your reply that you are very well up on pugs but for people like myself that join these clubs is for help and in turn try to help others,i have a great problem with spelling and punctuation therefore if it bothers you so much do not read or reply .also if you take any interest in new members you will see that i only joined a few days ago [many thanks Sir for remarks on my grammer ]

[GLPoomobile 958]

so give me the places where i can find the posted info

It's all buried within the forum somewhere. Like many things, it takes a little effort to find, but once you learn to search for these things it's often quicker to get the answer yourself than wait for someone to reply. It also allows you to form a more balanced opinion because you inevitably end up reading many topics from the last few years rather than just taking the advice you are given now on face value (it could be inaccurate). So learn to use the Search function

 

i see from your reply that you are very well up on pugs

Not massively. I know enough to get me by. Mostly as a result of a rather sad addiction to this forum and a brain like a sponge for geeky car info. As above, learning to search for information helps one to learn a lot about these cars

 

but for people like myself that join these clubs is for help and in turn try to help others,

My first reply may not have been helpful to your problem, but it was intended as a nudge in the right direction so that you could help yourself. I am even helping you now (see further on), which I don't need to do, but since you've essentially challenged me with your rather narky reply then I feel obliged to take the challenge. I could have just ignored you, but hey ho

 

i have a great problem with spelling and punctuation therefore if it bothers you so much do not read or reply

It's all very well getting on your high horse, but that attitude won't get you anywhere on here. Many members will simply not read or reply, and then you are left with no help. I'm sorry that you struggle with spelling and punctuation, but when there are spell checkers so easily available it only takes a little bit of effort. Nobody is expecting perfection, just something that is a little more legible for the masses (including those for whom English is not their first language)

 

.also if you take any interest in new members you will see that i only joined a few days ago [many thanks Sir for remarks on my grammer ]

No I don't take much interest. I fail to see how it's in any way relevant.

 

 

 

Now, I took some time out to do a little searching to prove your point. Using advanced search, I used the following criteria. Firstly I tried +sunroof +cable. Then I tried +sunroof +won't +open. In each case I had a flood of topics that all go in to detail about the vacuum operation, stuck seals, disconnected vacuum pipes etc. I'm not going to link you to those topics as you should be able to find them easily if you spend at most half an hour using the search function.

 

I persevered a little longer as I wanted to find more information on the cable mechanism, as I am CONVINCED that I've seen this covered in detail in the past. I didn't find what I was looking for (I guess you can feel smug now that I failed in that respect) but I did find these 2 topics that show the PUG diagrams for the mechanism. It's better than nothing...

 

Link 1

 

Link 2

[steve@cornwall 100]

Norm, sorry you're having a bit of a hard time here........ Can you get any movement in the roof at all? Did you know the engine needs to run to compress the seal (vacuum depression from the inlet) and release it. Maybe this and pulling the cable may give some movement and we'll go from there. Although the vacuum reservoir should retain enough to open a couple of times, a small leak may prevent this.

 

Off topic but related to this thread, yes, some people could develop their spelling and punctuation - active participation in a forum etc. may well help if we don't scare them away first - you will get a better response from an easy to read query as this is, after all a recreational forum and not a subscription service and people are quite at liberty to judge wether to read and participate in a thread using their own criteria.

 

However, whether intentional or not, some will jump on a bandwagon and come across as a patronising p*i*k. They have as much to learn in attitude adjustment as the others do in sentence construction. In my opinion this is much more destructive to enjoyment of this forum and needs stamping on.

 

Please, please don't let this wander as far off topic as other threads recently people - I'm just explaining why I feel the need to use the "report" button, which is what should be done when something offends you here.

[pug_ham 244 3 Cars]

Steve (GLPoomobile), wind your neck in & allow a bit of slack for people until they get settled.

 

After several reports about your post please remember when you signed up what things were like for you as a newbie & consider others before ranting & scaring new members off who might be able to help you one day but decide against it because you came across badly replying to one of their first posts.

 

This also stands for those of you that seem to think you own the place because you've been here a while & dislike the influx of new members.

 

Graham.

[Paul_13 212 1 Cars]

Yep sounds like the cable that attaches to the release lever.

 

I may have one spare in shed, I'll take a look for you tomorrow if I have time. It could be round the old mans house come to think of it.

 

Just for your info, GLPoomobile is the forum grouch. Grumpiest man alive on the planet!

 

Ignore the negative comments, there's alot of info stored within this forum. If you don't get on with the search function try the one in my sig \/

[norm 0]

Norm, sorry you're having a bit of a hard time here........ Can you get any movement in the roof at all? Did you know the engine needs to run to compress the seal (vacuum depression from the inlet) and release it. Maybe this and pulling the cable may give some movement and we'll go from there. Although the vacuum reservoir should retain enough to open a couple of times, a small leak may prevent this.

 

Off topic but related to this thread, yes, some people could develop their spelling and punctuation - active participation in a forum etc. may well help if we don't scare them away first - you will get a better response from an easy to read query as this is, after all a recreational forum and not a subscription service and people are quite at liberty to judge wether to read and participate in a thread using their own criteria.

 

However, whether intentional or not, some will jump on a bandwagon and come across as a patronising p*i*k. They have as much to learn in attitude adjustment as the others do in sentence construction. In my opinion this is much more destructive to enjoyment of this forum and needs stamping on.

 

Please, please don't let this wander as far off topic as other threads recently people - I'm just explaining why I feel the need to use the "report" button, which is what should be done when something offends you here.

thanks for the reply, i view the chap who loves writing in red as a very lonley sad man with no life and no friends, but i hope he finds it will be more rewarding to help than hinder? anyway that the last of that!! now i have the car i have stripped the release handle and found that there should be a metal plate that connects the cable to the lever on the handle, but it has snapped off from the plastic arm that it slides on to,after reading my friends reply, l tracked one down from a breaker on line called ian who was very helpful after i explained the problem he new straight away and for £10.00&p+p hes sending me one, so its big smiles all round

ps i don't think for one minute that the majority of people on here are like the man with the red pen

Edited June 30, 2010 by norm

[norm 0]

Yep sounds like the cable that attaches to the release lever.

 

I may have one spare in shed, I'll take a look for you tomorrow if I have time. It could be round the old mans house come to think of it.

 

Just for your info, GLPoomobile is the forum grouch. Grumpiest man alive on the planet!

 

Ignore the negative comments, there's alot of info stored within this forum. If you don't get on with the search function try the one in my sig \/

this is what its about have a chat and help if you can many thanks norm

[GLPoomobile 958]

I'm so glad you got it sorted Norman.

 

That's a lovely improvement in your grammar I see there, I'm proud of you, dear chap And I presume that this was all sorted as a result of the cracking advice I gave and those 2 links. I certainly hope so, as like you say, it's so much better to help than to hinder. You see Norman, I'm just a poor misunderstood soul - I only want to help people to help themselves, but every time I say anything I get accused of being a c*nt. I don't know, maybe mummy didn't love me enough as a child (I'll book an appointment with C_W for some psycho analysis).

 

Maybe Steve@Cornwall is right about me being a bandwagon riding patronising prick.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

.....or maybe there's another answer to this. Maybe, just maybe, I didn't like the way you threw your toys out of the pram at what was a perfectly reasonable suggestion in my first post, and rather than being mature enough to bite my tongue I decided to 'come back'. So congratulations, you got a response out of me. And even when I yet again reply in a perfectly reasonable manner, surprise surprise, it's me who's the c*nt. Sorry for not being all fluffy and sweet about it and welcoming you to the forum, I'd rather leave that to everyone else. But the PC brigade obviously feel sorry for you Norman, they obviously thought that a grown man who is clearly capable of standing up for himself needed some moral support, a "there there" and a little internet hug, whilst berating me. I'm an easy target, because I'm the forum grouch, the forum c*nt, and now the man with the red pen. It's OK though, I can take it, although I may go off and have a little cry in bed (on my own of course, because I'm sad and lonely with no life and no friends).

 

Graham - maybe I should wind my neck in, but I'm not one for knowing when to shut up, and I certainly won't wind it in when I've done nothing wrong and I'm only guilty of rising to provocation. Warn away old chap, I need to start my collection if I'm to be part of this alledged bandwagon

[pug_ham 244 3 Cars]

Who mentioned warn besides you?

 

You're not worthy of the band wagon tag, why group yourself with a bunch of keyboard warriors anyway.

 

Graham.

[GLPoomobile 958]

It was a reference to that other topic that has got people's backs up.

 

And now you tell me I'm not worthy of the band wagon either f***, tthings are really going down the drain for me now. Soon I'll even get stripped of the forum c*nt and forum grouch tags and all I'll be left with is the lame "man with the red pen" tag

 

At least C_W knows I'm a keyboard warrior. He understands me, even if no one else does.

[SurGie 54]

There's more to sunroofs than meets the eye

[steve@cornwall 100]

Maybe Steve@Cornwall is right about me being a bandwagon riding patronising prick.....

 

 

Not what I said - I said "come across like".

[MrG 3]

Norm, how did you get on with the roof? Uncovered any previous owners bodges yet? I've just repaired the roof on our latest acquisition where the runner had come out, and low and behold the odd bodge had been thrown it instead of doing a proper and what turned out to be, a simple but a little time consuming job.

[yeti-dj 7]

just fixed my broken sunroof, yah!

 

and wish i had'nt wasted my time reading this whole post, haha....

[norm 0]

Norm, how did you get on with the roof? Uncovered any previous owners bodges yet? I've just repaired the roof on our latest acquisition where the runner had come out, and low and behold the odd bodge had been thrown it instead of doing a proper and what turned out to be, a simple but a little time consuming job.

stripped it down to find the lug had broken that holds the metal clamp,tracked down a second hand lever with vac pump and clamp built it back up and works great, then after washing the roof of moss i found the washers between the bolts and the roof were shot put new washers that i got from the hardware shop on , and it all works like new

now getting to grips with the heater