Raspy Exhaust? Which One?

[grantley1988 1]

As above really.. Im not really into the scorpion system that is on my car at the moment. I sed to have a supersprint race sytem on my saxo which wwas a 2" system with no boxes and the back box had a 50mm tip on it. that sounded great, not boomy and popped and banged every where i got a quote from a local exhaust builder today and they want 290 all in, which i think is rather expensive for a system. So can anyone point me in the right direction for an off the shelf system that suits my needs how are the group n systems sound wise.

 

Hope you can help! Cheers

[DrSarty 90 1 Cars]

I'm just wondering what the point is?

 

Of course it's your money and you can do with it as you please. But would you be better off with a quicker or more reliable car if you spent your £300 differently or even kept it for when something like the AFM goes belly up or the head gasket blows?

 

A standard exhaust probably gives better performance anyway, and DOESN'T make you sound like some chav in a Saxo with a 2inch exhaust.

[j_turnell 137 3 Cars]

The pugsport group n system sounds great, really raspy, pops and bangs, but not too loud. There are a couple of downsides though, its mild steel so lasts 2-3yrs then its nakerd, and it is a slightly smaller diameter pipe so could potentially be restrictive on a tuned engine, but for a standardish engine there great IMO!

 

Available here!

[j_turnell 137 3 Cars]

Heres a very old vid of my 1.6 with the groupn fitted, quick drive by.

 

Here

[welshpug 1,662]

£290 for an exhaust is pretty average.

 

standard Phase 2 exhaust is enough for most engines however, or Miles does a nice one that'd be an upgrade with a nice note, not loud at all.

[feb 47]

As said above PTS GrpN. Or Oreca GrpN.

I used to have a PTS GrpN one which sounded good but it is not recommended on an everyday car.

On the motorway you just put your foot down and cars in front would change lane to let you pass, no need to flash lights

Edited April 22, 2010 by feb

[Cameron 16]

If you think £290 is expensive go to a proper custom exhaust company like BTB or Primary Designs and you'll have a heart attack.

 

Whether it's "boomy" or not depends on the design of the silencers and their volume, you'd be hard pressed to find a straight-through system that wasn't boomy, especially if you only have one silencer.

 

Group N systems are cheap because they're meant to last a few rallies then be replaced, they aren't meant for lasting more than a few months / a year on the road. Both Group N systems I've had have broken, the hanger for the mid section snapped off after 6 months on the first one, and the hanger for the rear box snapped off after 2 weeks on the second. If you want something to last you're going to have to pay more for it, simple as that.

[feb 47]

Oreca do a SS GrpN version AFAIK.

[grantley1988 1]

I'm just wondering what the point is?

 

Of course it's your money and you can do with it as you please. But would you be better off with a quicker or more reliable car if you spent your £300 differently or even kept it for when something like the AFM goes belly up or the head gasket blows?

 

A standard exhaust probably gives better performance anyway, and DOESN'T make you sound like some chav in a Saxo with a 2inch exhaust.

 

 

The exhaust on the car as it is, could be classed as chavvy sounding.... So has to be changed. I do not no if you have heard the supersprint on a saxo?? Far from chavvy! For me the sound of the car is just as important as the handling, power etc. Which is why I am changing the one which came with the car when I bought it.

[large 33]

I have had a OMP Grp N exhaust on my car for about 6 years have dome a number of road rallys with it as well. It has only now broken.

 

its not me.

[ORB 227 1 Cars]

I see comments refering to the Phase 2 system, can I ask how this differs from the phase 1 system or the 1.5 ? ?

 

Just curious is all.

[Anthony 1,003]

I see comments refering to the Phase 2 system, can I ask how this differs from the phase 1 system or the 1.5 ? ?

Phase 2 (and late Phase 1.5) systems are a two piece setup, with a combined downpipe/midpipe and then a backbox with an olive fitment.

 

Phase 1 (and all but late Phase 1.5) systems are a three piece setup, with a downpipe, midpipe, and backbox, all sleeve fit, Slightly smaller bore than the Phase 2 system.

[ORB 227 1 Cars]

I thought so. I got myself all confused for a minute then!

 

Thanks Tony

[GLPoomobile 958]

Heres a very old vid of my 1.6 with the groupn fitted, quick drive by.

 

Here

 

All I could hear was the whoosh of air combined with tyre noise

 

I used to have a mild steel Group N (which I think was from Special Tuning) and I had that on both a 1.9 and then a 1.6 8v (yes, it actually lasted long enough to transfer it from one 205 to another!), both of which were standard bar a cone filter. Although both were a little loud and occasionally raspy, I never got any of the popping and banging that everyone seems to claim they do.

 

My current Mi16 has a DES group N and it's just excessively droney and very loud. Really wish I'd gone for the twin box version But it's not as bad as when I bought the car. Drove it back from Cornwall to London with a huge hole in the previous mild steel DES Group N, in front of the back box (previous owner had run over a log in the road and ripped the hanger off), so it was more or less un-silenced. That was a pleasant journey!

Edited April 25, 2010 by GLPoomobile

[DamirGTI 343]

I never got any of the popping and banging that everyone seems to claim they do.

 

From my perspective , properly tuned (NA) engine will never "pop and bang" , a little bit perhaps but only occasionally .. system without silencers (or with just big bore straight trough design back box ..) might do some "pop and bang" stuff but it'll be loud as hell ..

 

My Ph1 car never did a "pop and bang" , when it was std. nor now when it's modified nor with loads of systems which i've had on it (tubular 4-1 manifold , with and without middle silencer , big bore pipework , std. bore pipework , endless count of various type back boxes ..) ... only time i made this Ph1 car "pop and bang" was when i tweaked the fuel mixture ... and the ignition timing .. but not for this precise purpose ! was during the DIY engine mapping

While my Ph2 is firing like a machine-gun and it's std. engine with std. exhaust system bar the aftermarket big bore back box (suppose the mixture isn't spot on on that one ..)

 

Damir

[Batfink 201]

if its got a long duration cam in it would pop and bang....

[DrSarty 90 1 Cars]

if its got a long duration cam in it would pop and bang....

 

I'd have to agree, as my 2.2 banged like a good 'un, even with the fuel over-run cut-off selected on the Emerald.

 

It did this from leaving the mapping session on the way home round the twisties, lighting up the night sky in my rear view.

[Batfink 201]

what happens is the exhaust system scavenges fuel and air from the induction as all the valves are open momentarily

[Baz 421]

Phase 2 (and late Phase 1.5) systems are a two piece setup, with a combined downpipe/midpipe and then a backbox with an olive fitment.

 

Phase 1 (and all but late Phase 1.5) systems are a three piece setup, with a downpipe, midpipe, and backbox, all sleeve fit, Slightly smaller bore than the Phase 2 system.

 

Adding to that, the earlier systems are smaller diameter too. As are OMP systems afaik.

[Guest robyp25]

I have a custom powerflow straight through (just back box no centre) on my mi16. Its cheap ( under £200), raspy and loud, puts a smile on my face and any passengers!!! gonna go for a something quieter soon though, doing my head in!!!!

[bales 1]

I had an OMP one which was pretty cheap which I have a clip of...

 

OMP exhaust

 

It was very raspy, rust wise it was fine for about 2 years when I had it on but it did have surface rust on.

[kate205gti 4]

peugeot sport group n, magnex and ashley systems seem to give a good noise imo

 

theres a decent system you can buy from DES but cant remember what off the top of my head lol

[lewthepimp 0]

magnex are good,but i find the centre boxes always seem to rust through

[splant 0]

my home made stainless thingy has 2 straight through boxes but is very quite a lot quiter than a magnex system i had on another 205 and even quiter than a standard system im sure ,,, are standard boxes baffled or straight through ?

[j_turnell 137 3 Cars]

Although both were a little loud and occasionally raspy, I never got any of the popping and banging that everyone seems to claim they do.

 

Mine always used to pop and bang, generally when feathering the throttle, could quite easily make it pop if i wished, although i did have a heavily modified head at the time, which deffinately changed the engine note.