Afm Up Side Down?

[de Noir 0]

Hi all.

I'm into some packaging issues.

 

Does anyone run / has tried fitting AFM up side down, in this or similar fashion:

 

 

 

Any (potential) problems with this install?

 

Thanks!

Edited February 25, 2010 by MH_

[opticaltrigger 52]

Hi MH,

Provided that it is still mounted horizontaly I cant personaly see any problems with it being upside down in terms of it's opperation.It's just a flap working a potentiomiter in proportion to air flow so it should be ok.Try it.

 

All the best

O.T.

[Tom Fenton 1,542]

As that picture I don't think it will work correctly, with gravity affecting movement of the flap. However easy enough to find out using a wideband.

[DrSarty 90 1 Cars]

Agreed. But I'll go one further.

 

This has been discussed several times, and people have mounted them anyway they can, and they still work. I've seen them upside down, on their sides (either way) with no issues.

 

I wouldn't worry about the orientation at all; I think it's a myth.

 

EDIT: However Tom's comment is quite valid as I didn't think it would be vertical!

Edited February 25, 2010 by DrSarty

[de Noir 0]

Cheers all.

 

I've found on some topics here, that turning AFM like this solved idle problems.

Would love to have it 'regular' style, but do not see the way to accomodate everything.

 

Are there any downsides of fitting air filter directly on the AFM?

[DrSarty 90 1 Cars]

Are there any downsides of fitting air filter directly on the AFM?

 

None at all. That's how it's done on most aftermarket filter 'upgrades' anyway.

 

Think about it: the simpler and less convoluted you make the inlet tract, the easier it is for the engine to breathe. However I would say putting your filter right down there, may run the risk of water ingress and it'll likely get dirty and clogged very quickly with road dirt.

 

Also good to try and get decent cool, high pressure air fed to it, which means you could put a joining air hose between the AFM and filter to better place it, although as said above it's then getting more complicated.

 

However a standard 1.6, 1.9 8v or Mi16 isn't exactly a short and easy route anyway:

 

But it does work.

Edited February 25, 2010 by DrSarty

[de Noir 0]

Yeah.

Thought about it a lot.

 

This was also part of the same idea:

 

 

 

Unfortunately, with radiator in its place this install brings more problems.

Best position you can get compromises air filter insert change, you don't get handy access at all.

 

 

Tried to replicate std air intake install too.

I'm running 309GTI16 engine and its 4-1 exhaust manifold fills the rear quarter 100%... meaning there is not enough space for airbox, can not close the hood. I have to use 309 exp tank too, 205 one doesn't fit any more.

 

 

 

Regarding intake, I imagine having larger mushroom airfilter between the radiator and gearbox is better than having smaller one behind the headlight.

At least you get some airflow there.

 

I had the similar mushroom install on my ex GTI6, done by previous owner, never had any problems with it.

Only needed to clean it more often.

Edited February 25, 2010 by MH_

[DrSarty 90 1 Cars]

Sorry, but why does everyone else's fit and yours doesn't?

 

Have a look in here. Shortened and std inlet trunking used - both fit.

 

P.S. I've been to Zagreb many times. Nice city with beautiful women.

Edited February 25, 2010 by DrSarty

[de Noir 0]

Because power steering reservoir is in its way...

And would love to keep the 306 battery tray, which looks nice but wastes space.

 

Although, install with smaller airfilter bolted directly on AFM would fit, that's true.

That's the last option if everything else fails.

 

 

 

P.S. I've been to Zagreb many times. Nice city with beautiful women.

 

 

Thanks.

[DrSarty 90 1 Cars]

Although, install with smaller airfilter bolted directly on AFM would fit, that's true.

That's the last option if everything else fails.

 

Why is that the last option? It's the simplest and it works.

[Simes 248 2 Cars]

Interesting bend there, you could try using one of these

You would probably have to loose the battery box and probably move the PAS resevoir too though.

 

this was my old set up

 

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Edited February 25, 2010 by Simes

[de Noir 0]

I'd like to keep both where they're supposed to be.

PAS reservoir is going to be bolted on the

Ditto the topic.

 

And there's lot of unused space down there!

 

 

Why is that the last option? It's the simplest and it works.

 

 

Thanks everyone for different point of view.

I'll be back with solution soon.

 

[welshpug 1,661]

use the 306 PAS reservoir over on the r/h inner wing just in front of the turret?

 

more space for the AFM then.

 

there isn't a place they're "supposed" to be, as this engine is not meant to be in a 205

[de Noir 0]

Yes there is!

PAS reservoir standard mounting point is behind left headlight.

Edited February 25, 2010 by MH_

[DrSarty 90 1 Cars]

You've had plenty of suggestions MH. I would even suggest moving battery to the boot, but I'm fairly convinced you're gonna go with your original plan anyway.

 

Let us know if it works, but I think you're making work for yourself.

[de Noir 0]

Thanks for effort everyone.

I'm going to adopt some ideas for sure, I'll let you know whats the end result..

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

 

 

This thread inspired me to purchase a 306 battery box and ecu holder, unfortunately Im now unable to close the bonnet, any info on this would be great

[davev 1]

possibly no help but looking at that pic isnt that battery box on the wrong way round? i thought the ecu sits at the back of the battery?

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

Yeah, thats the same way as I've got mine as my ecu sits in front of the battery. I recon I might have to trim up the box a little.

[de Noir 0]

cheers guys

this actually isn't my idea.. I saw it in Ed's project topic

 

 

anyway

would love to have the ECU tray at the front, to accomodate current distribution panel inside

unfortunately, when fitted like pictured, bonnet won't close

 

 

this is the final draft:

 

 

 

everything fits and closes neatly

 

 

I have cut bottom of the tray to accomodate 'regular' battery stud bulge inside the tray

struggled to find out how to bolt the tray securely

figured out, but haven't executed yet

 

 

 

@ Simes: what is that shortened inlet hose on your install, is it diy or factory stuff?

Edited March 12, 2010 by MH_

[welshpug 1,661]

BBM do an MI16 shortened inlet hose now

 

http://www.bakerbm.com/205.php?data=sih16v205

 

[de Noir 0]

yeah, I' ve seen it.. just curious what has Simes done there