Modifying A Xsara Rack To Fit A 205

[gowmonster 2]

i've hear about people putting AX racks in 106's, i take it that ax racks don't fit in 205's or are we talking about shorter turn pas racks here?

[MrP 1]

So the Xsara vts rack is PAS does this mean it can only be fitted to 205's with PAS?

[Anthony 1,002]

So the Xsara vts rack is PAS does this mean it can only be fitted to 205's with PAS?

No, you could remove the ram and use it as a non-assisted rack much as people comonly do with 205/309 PAS racks.

[MrP 1]

Is it worth doing on a non PAS 205 or this going to make the steering even heavier and harder to turn the wheel than it already is.

[jackherer 543]

No, you could remove the ram and use it as a non-assisted rack much as people comonly do with 205/309 PAS racks.

 

I wouldn't advise it though, I've run unassisted 205/309 PAS racks quite happily for years but I very quickly decided the Xsara rack was too much, it was actually slowing me down a lot in tight turns as I wasn't confident in being able to wind lock on fast enough at low speeds.

[Baz 421]

i've hear about people putting AX racks in 106's, i take it that ax racks don't fit in 205's or are we talking about shorter turn pas racks here?

 

They're a fairly different rack, mounted much higher up on the bulkhead rather than subframe 106's etc iirc. So they wouldn't fit 'straight' in a 205.

Edited March 23, 2010 by Baz

[All Praise The GTI 3]

anyone know if the uj off a gti6 is the same square drive as one on xsara rack? just dug my xsara rack out the garage to start looking to fitt to the 205 but cant find the uj column ive got a 6 rack but didnt think to cjeck it while up at the garage

[Paul_13 212 1 Cars]

anyone know if the uj off a gti6 is the same square drive as one on xsara rack? just dug my xsara rack out the garage to start looking to fitt to the 205 but cant find the uj column ive got a 6 rack but didnt think to cjeck it while up at the garage

 

I believe they are the same, I had a look at Kyepan's xsara column link and my dturbo link and they looked exactly the same. Can't imagine the 6 link being different

 

Have you tried the one I gave you Kyepan?

Edited March 24, 2010 by Paul_13

[jorg 11]

Which steering ram are you supposed to use with the VTS rack on a 205? I am still having problems with the VTS ram catching the subframe when putting a left lock on and I am wondering if anyone else has had this problem and how they sorted it.

 

Is it just a simple case of getting a GTi-6 or 205 ram and swopping them over?

 

Cheers

 

jorg

[welshpug 1,646]

I didn't think the ram itself was any different, but the 205 one should bolt straight on from what I've seen of them.

 

you don't want the 306 gti6 one unless you're running the 6 speed box as this is the part that limits the r/h lock.

 

to answer Paul_13's question yes most 306 lower columns are the square/d-shape where they clamp onto the pinion.

[Cameron 16]

GTi6 rack is about the limit of what I can take unassisted at speed, and way too heavy for parking!

 

Really looking forward to having a VTS rack and PAS now.

[welshpug 1,646]

funny that Cameron, because a gti6 rack is more turns than a 205 pas rack afaik!

[Cameron 16]

What? Are you sure about that?

[jackherer 543]

I'm pretty sure the GTI6 rack is less turns than the 205 one. 2.9 vs 3.2 or something. I guess that might just be the lock limiter for the gearbox but that would make them about the same at most.

 

Cameron, you won't be disappointed with the VTS rack

[All Praise The GTI 3]

so are we agreeing that if we cant get a uj column to fit its best to shorten the xsara one or is it easier to leave it and just move steering wheel up abit?? will need to sort mine on sunday so need figure out what im going to do so engine can go back in straight away

Edited March 27, 2010 by All Praise The GTI

[jackherer 543]

its best to shorten the xsara one or is it easier to leave it and just move steering wheel up abit??

 

The latter is easier but not much use if you want the dash to look standard.

[All Praise The GTI 3]

sorted this earlier i was scratching my head decidind what to do with the xsara rack and decided to change the damaged gaitor. remembered there was an old standard rack i took off a gti month or so back when i broke the tt so thought save going the garage il take a gaitor off that which is when i realised it had a square drive coloumn on it !!

fitted it and it went straight on and into the car perfect fitt

no idea what its from tho. was on a car that had been tt converted.

i will be fitting new tre's when i get some but i didnt swap the arms over. they were a lil longer but couldnt figure out how to remove them as were different on both racks??

when i swap the tre;s if it looks like the arms are too long to be sorted by adjusting the tre's in further i might just cut half an inch off both the arms as the threaded bit is quite long

Edited March 28, 2010 by All Praise The GTI

[Paul_13 212 1 Cars]

Just to make this clear:

 

The linkage you need is a 205 SQUARE Drive PAS Lower Column Linkage, this is a direct fit and will not require modifications.

 

All praise the Gti has tried and tested this after I found out about this little gem

[JRL 14 1 Cars]

wth the help of a friend we fitted an xsara vts rack without pas, I bought off a member on here but he had already modified the uj. I can say it is worth it! steering feels so responsive just how I always imagined a quick rack to perform.

[harryskid 193]

Why would the vts rack be better then a 205 quick rack then?

[jackherer 543]

Why would the vts rack be better then a 205 quick rack then?

 

OEM quality for less money.

[All Praise The GTI 3]

actually i think mine came from a non pas 205 rack but il check lol.

it was slightly longer than the normal 205 one but shorter then xsara one but fitts perfect with no mods

[Gman 29]

wth the help of a friend we fitted an xsara vts rack without pas, I bought off a member on here but he had already modified the uj. I can say it is worth it! steering feels so responsive just how I always imagined a quick rack to perform.

 

Paul, or anyone else, is there a specific part number for this.

 

Can I also confirm that this is the only additional part I need to fit a 2.4 rack to my 1992 PAS 205 GTI 1.9? Miles will hopefully be fitting one next weekend, but he is unsure on the part that is needed to avoid the rubber bulkhead seal becoming lose.

 

Cheers

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

The other part you'll need are the track control arms as the Xsara ones are too long, I think some have cut them down but for the sake of £18.00 ish per side not worth it