Spec Your Suspension Setup

[djinuk 2]

ok, to help my understanding of 205 suspension setups and help me decide where to go with mine i wondered if folks on here would fill out a spec on there car

 

 

 

 

CAR USE

Engine Type - mi16 etc

 

Car use - Fast road/ Tarmac track

 

RIDE HEIGHT - -45MM

 

 

 

FRONT SETUP

 

Front suspension - Gaz Ghas 250LB springs /eccentric mounts / standard arb

 

 

 

 

REAR BEAM

 

Dampers - bilsteion group n

 

Torsion bars - 23mm

 

Arb - 25mm

 

 

This is just an idea really to get to grips with common setups , what works etc and also i imagine it will be usefull for others.

[welshpug 1,658]

Car Use; hibernating road car, VERY occasional trackday use

 

Ride height, Circa -25mm

 

Front setup - Bilstein B2 Streetline with Ventura Springs.

 

Rear setup - rebuilt beam with o.e dampers, standard torsion bars, recent upgrade to 22mm ARB but not tested since.

[Toddy 7]

Car Use; hibernating road car

 

Ride height, Circa -25mm

 

Skip Brown Cars (SBC) phase 2 suspension:

 

Front setup - Bilstein Inserts. 180lb ish springs - Will change to Eibach.

 

Rear setup - rebuilt beam with Bilstein Group N Tarmac, 20mm torsion bars, 23mm ARB, SBC neg camber Kit increasing overall track by 17mm

[welshpug 1,658]

going softer on the front toddy?

[boombang 2]

Use: none yet, tarmac rally / fast road / track - 10 point cage with stitch welded chassis

 

Ride height - no idea!

 

Front - Gaz Golds, 225lb 9" spring, eccentric topmounts, strut brace, 309 Gti ARB, looking to get a 205 ARB to try out

 

Rear - Newly built beam, Gaz Golds, standard ARB and bars, with 25mm ARB for track. Torsion bars to be ordered very soon, just no idea what size!

[Toddy 7]

going softer on the front toddy?

 

I have eibach on my daily car and it is ok with 550lb R & 400lb F, Miles and Sandy also champion Eibach so will accept their wisdom and, iirc Sandy mentioned that the spring rate is a rising rate from 80 -205lb so should give a better ride over the potholes which we also know as roads, and also be ok for spirited driving/on track.

[andyjstone 6]

CAR USE

Engine Type - GTI6 on TBs

 

Car use - Tarmac track

 

RIDE HEIGHT - around -30MM

 

 

 

FRONT SETUP

 

Front suspension - Bilstein Group N/Eibach springs/BBM Group N rubbers/standard arb

 

 

 

REAR BEAM (soon to be)

 

Dampers - Bilsteiin Group N

 

Torsion bars - Standard 309

 

Arb - 24mm

 

Group A beam mounts.

Edited November 6, 2009 by andyjstone

[RossD 44]

Car Use: Currently hibernating, but fast road with occasional track day

Engine: 1.6 TU on throttle bodies, 130-150bhp.

 

(Note, this is a base model not a GTi)

 

FRONT: Eibach 7001 springs with Bilstein Group N dampers, BBM Group N top mounts. Polybushed GTi wishbones, strut brace, standard 17mm GTi anti roll bar.

 

REAR: 19mm TB's and ARB (For now) with Bilstein Group N dampers.

 

185\55x14 tyres on S2 106 Rallye rims.

Edited November 6, 2009 by RossD

[GilesW 41]

CAR USE

Engine Type - mi16 (XU9)

 

Car use - Tarmac track with occassional road use

 

RIDE HEIGHT - not sure. But 'sensibly lower' than standard.

 

 

 

FRONT SETUP

 

Front suspension - Gaz Ghas 275LB springs/ no arb

 

 

 

 

REAR BEAM

 

Dampers - Gaz

 

Torsion bars - 23mm

 

Arb - 25mm

 

Group A beam mounts.

[jengis 0]

CAR USE:

 

Engine - 2.0 8v, circa 125bhp

Use - road toy (and once on track!)

Ride height +/- 0 (but a little high at the back due to weight loss)

 

FRONT SETUP:

 

Bilstein yellow B6 struts with standard GTi springs and top mounts; standard GTi ARB, lower arms etc.

Standard 1.6 GTi bendix brakes

 

REAR BEAM:

 

Standard GTi with o/e 306 GTi-6 dampers (probs no different to o/e 205!)

 

TYRES + WHEELS:

 

195/50 r15 Hankook Ventus k110 v12 EVO (can't fault them for hard road use and despite melting tread rubber they wore evenly on track)

Tacky aftermarket 15 * 6.5" alloys

 

NEXT PHASE:

 

lower by 30mm, Eibach 7001 springs, BBM top mount rubbers, 22mm rear ARB, solid beam mounts.

Edited November 6, 2009 by jengis

[andyjstone 6]

FRONT SETUP:

 

Bilstein yellow B6 struts with standard GTi springs and top mounts; standard GTi ARB, lower arms etc.

 

I thought the B6s were black and it was only the Group Ns that came in yellow?

[j_turnell 137 3 Cars]

ENGINE - healthy 1.6 8v on group n mounts

 

USE - daily driver/fast road

 

RIDE HEIGHT - -35mm

 

FRONT SETUP - gti-6 shocks, group n rubbers, ventura springs

 

REAR BEAM - gti-6 shocks, group n mounts, 22mm arb

 

TYRES - 185/65/r14 toyo proxy cf1 front - gdyr eagles back.

 

SOON TO HAVE - 309 rear axle, 306 arms, 24mm arb, 20.5mm torsion bars, -30mm

Edited November 6, 2009 by j_turnell

[jengis 0]

I thought the B6s were black and it was only the Group Ns that came in yellow?

 

Well, they're yellow struts with blue dust gaitor. The mono-tube inverted spec, but standard length (B8 are the shortened version). Bought under the understanding that they had the code "B6" through Balance Motorsport for about £160 each. "B4" were listed as the black ones (pretty much o/e spec).

 

I think Bilstein changed their codes/product descriptions a while back, perhaps that explains confusion?

[Rippthrough 98]

This could take a while

[shalmaneser 26]

ENGINE - healthy 1.6 8v on group n mounts

 

USE - daily driver/fast road

 

RIDE HEIGHT - -35mm

 

FRONT SETUP - gti-6 shocks, group n rubbers, ventura springs

 

REAR BEAM - gti-6 shocks, group n mounts, 22mm arb

 

TYRES - 185/65/r14 toyo proxy cf1 front - gdyr eagles back.

 

SOON TO HAVE - 309 rear axle, 306 arms, 24mm arb, 20.5mm torsion bars, -30mm

 

306 arms?

[BERTMAN 40 1 Cars]

Engine Type - S16

Car use - Fast road/ Tarmac track

RIDE HEIGHT -35-40MM

 

FRONT SETUP

Front suspension - Bilstein sprintline dampers and springs

Standard Gti ARB

Group N top mounts

 

REAR BEAM

Dampers - bilstein sprintline

Torsion bars - standard GTi

Arb - Standard GTi

[calvinhorse 870]

so whats this all about?

[bigsheep 5]

Track use

 

Gaz adjustable coilovers / dampers

225 lb springs

40mm drop

Gp N solid rear beam mountings

New OE everything else...

[aCe 0]

Some very suprising set ups there!

 

Won't give mine away

[philfingers 5]

Engine Type - Mi16 with TranX diff

Car use - road rally and odd road use

RIDE HEIGHT std at the front, tarmac spec rear (approx 322mm between centres)

 

FRONT SETUP

Front suspension - PTS gravel coilovers (currently rebuilding inserts myself.. . .with mixed success),

Standard Gti ARB

PTS Gp A top mounts, Baker BM fully adjustable top mounts with GpA bearing in the bottom drawer. .. ..

309 botton arms, fully adjustable R/J'd setup in the bottom drawer. . . ..

 

REAR BEAM

Dampers - bilstein gravel

Torsion bars - standard GTi

Arb - Standard GTi

Gp A mounts

[Rippthrough 98]

FRONT

Gaz coilover casing with custom internals and oil, plus a new outer tube with cranked over end cap for +1 degree extra camber, remote res. added stainless braided hose and a 1.25" expansion chamber, different oil spec, gas charged with a custom floating piston + die spring assist for ride height adjustment, plus twin front springs to reduce resonance and Sandvick 38 steel shimmed damping piston (which is also modified)

Rose jointed, T45 tubular wishbones, fully adjustable type that can be tweaked for castor/camber/anti-dive/rollcentre,

Custom solid top mounts, Aurora PTFE bearings.

Rose jointed (forged aluminium), alloy-bodied droplinks for when I'm running a front arb.

Rose jointed (forged chro-moly), alloy-bodied trackrods + quickrack

Seam welded subframe.

38mm T45 lower brace, carbon fibre/alloy upper brace.

Progressive poly-foam bumpstops.

Height - +20mm from stock (rally/rough track setup)

 

 

REAR

Solid aluminium beam mounts.

24mm anti roll bar.

Fox remote reservoir rally-spec dampers with 50lb/inch spring rate assistance + hydraulic bumpstops.

ZX trailing arms for 0mm toe.

1.5* neg. camber.

(+20mm ride height)

Edited November 15, 2009 by Rippthrough

[RossD 44]

Any pictures of your front setup Rippthrough? I think I've seen pics of the individual parts on the forum (?) but not with it all bolted together!

[Baz 421]

CAR 1

Engine Type - standard 'strong' 1.6 8v

 

Car use - Everything, Road, track/sealed tarmac, Sprints/broken surfaces etc.

 

RIDE HEIGHT - -30MM

 

 

 

FRONT SETUP

 

Front suspension - Koni Sport adjustables with Eibach 7001 springs & BBM GrpN top mount rubbers, 1.9 hubs, 309 wishbones and driveshafts, standard arb.

 

 

 

 

REAR BEAM

 

Dampers - Koni Sport

 

Torsion bars - Standard 205 beam with BBM GpA mounts

 

Arb - 24mm

 

ZX Trailing arms

 

 

 

CAR 2

Engine Type - 1.9 Mi16, Throttle bodies & mappable management, PeterT stage1 inlet cam, 4-2-1 PugRacing manifold with 2.5" system, Kaaz plate LSD.

 

Car use - Fast Road/ Tarmac Track

 

RIDE HEIGHT - -35MM (Although the rear needs raising a little)

 

 

 

FRONT SETUP

 

Front suspension - Koni Sport adjustables with Eibach 7001 springs & BBM GrpN top mount rubbers, 1.9 running gear, standard arb.

 

 

 

 

REAR BEAM

 

Dampers - Bilstein Tarmac

 

Torsion bars - Standard 205

 

Arb - standard (or 24 from other car!)

 

 

 

CAR 3

Engine Type - Rebuilt 1.9 Mi16, Mi16x4 cams and management, 1.9 'box with 4.4FDR.

 

Car use - Tarmac track, Fast Road etc

 

FRONT SETUP

 

Front suspension - PTS Bilstein Tarmac Insert Coilovers, 250lb Springs, Eccentric top mounts, 1.9 hubs, 309 wishbones and driveshafts, standard arb.

 

 

 

 

REAR BEAM

 

Dampers - Bilstein Tarmac

 

Torsion bars - 309 beam 23mm Torsion bars, BBM GpA mounts.

 

Arb - 25mm

 

306 Trailing arms

 

 

CAR 4

Engine Type - Rebuilt 1.9 Mi16, inverted Jenvey Throttle bodies on custom long inlet manifold, Emerald K3, PeterT Stage 2 inlet cam, 1.9 'box with 4.4FDR, TranX plate LSD.

 

Car use - Tarmac track, Broken surfaces, Sprints etc

 

FRONT SETUP

 

Front suspension - Leda Emulsified Gas Coilovers, 300lb Springs, Eccentric top mounts, 306 hubs, RJ'd Adjustable wishbones and 309 shafts, No ARB.

 

 

 

 

REAR BEAM

 

Dampers - Leda Emulsified Gas

 

Torsion bars - 309 beam with 25mm Torsion bars, BBM GpA mounts, SBC Negative Camber kit.

 

Arb - 22, 24, 25 & 27mm - weather/surface dependant.

 

 

 

Yet to decide with the rally car!

[kyepan 291]

Engine Type - Mi16 with Quaife ATB

Car use - road, but hopefully some sprinting soon eh Baz! or at least a track day.

RIDE HEIGHT reduced a bit, but not a alot

 

FRONT SETUP

200lbs springs on gaz coilovers, set at 1/3 stiffness

Top mount strut brace

309 front arms

refreshed top mounts / bearings etc.

 

REAR BEAM

22mm torsion bars, 24mm arb

gaz dampers set at 1/2 stiffness

zx arms for toe and camber

and the all important loo killing solid beam mounts

Drums FTW

 

Brakes

307hdi 283mm + ferrodo ds2500 pads

Wheels (heavy propper stoppers)

Citroen C5 steelies (4.6kgs)

 

comments- grips hard, but not as fun as when it was all wooly and over-steered everywhere.

[oli-pug 6 2 Cars]

Engine Type - Gti-6, peter t inlet cam, vts box with tran-x diff

Car use - Road and Trackdays

Ride height - approx -45mm front, -40mm rear

 

FRONT SETUP-

 

Gaz Gold coilovers (280lb or 350lb 8" springs)

Eccentric mounts

309 Gti arms with genuine bushes

Std 19mm anti-roll bar

 

REAR BEAM-

 

309 gti beam

-1.2 camber

BBM Grp.A mounts

Bilstein tarmac dampers

23mm torsion bars

Anti-roll bars (20mm to 27mm)

 

7j O.Z Superleggeras fitted up front for track use, to increase track width and give space for 205/50 tyres.