[race_prep] Guernsey Hillclimb 205 Build

[wardy18 33 1 Cars]

 

Cheers mate sorted!! Just prepping my Bendix calipers for the front end.

 

If you had a horrible spongy brake pedal and hardly any braking power what would say it was down to?

 

I have std discs on the back (think Bendix) and currently Girling on the front with drilled and grooved discs and green stuff pads.

 

Master cylinder (If I remember correctly) is plumed as the 2 front ports for either front wheels and back left port down to the rear splitting half way down to each disc then 4th back right port blanked off!!

 

I'm thinkin it's just the Greenstuff pads have gone old and hard and they are a fair few years old now

 

Any ideas?

Edited July 8, 2012 by wardy18

[johnnyboy666 195 1 Cars]

is it all completely bled? air bubles can cause spongeyness

[wardy18 33 1 Cars]

Yeh I re bled them all not long ago and some horrible milky crap came out the rears and they were rather gunged up do cleared all that and was hoping that sorted it but didn't at all

[wardy18 33 1 Cars]

Havent put up and pics for a while so took some of the recent upgrade before:

 

Just taken delivery of the new Racing Battery, RBC450 which has 450PCA and weight 1.6kg and also the Optimate Charger which is the safest charger to look after this battery.

 

 

I have just fitted the new bonnet and boot pins and then drilled and fitted the new Fibreglass Auto Bonnet and Fibreglass Boot Lid (Unbeleivably light).

 

 

The new (ok not new but new to the car) Bendix 1.6 front calipers and the Refurb kit ready for the overhaul and clean up

 

 

 

And the replacement catch tank breather from Jorg (thanks mate) which i am dying to fit so i can get rid of the old botched one

 

 

Also has pics sent today of the newly built ally 0.5ltr header tank currently in the post to me.

 

 

 

With all of this fitted for the 21st July National Hillclimb i am looking at a further weight reduction of 18-20kgs, taking her down to an estimated 725-730kg.

 

Will be chasing the new suspension set up tomorrow from Gaz, this is a big upgrade for the next hillclimb so hoping it arrives in time.

 

It will be in the body shop next week having the arch repaired and boot/bonnet resprayed so once this is done it will give me a great opportunity to get some proper detailed photos of the whole build as promised.

 

Simon

[wardy18 33 1 Cars]

Whilst fitting the new boot panel I thought seeing as I had the rear light clusters out i would weight them, appears they weight 560 - 570kg a piece, so while I was there I took the grinder, drill and sanding disc to each one an skinned them down to the bare bones, they now weigh in at 435 - 445kg each so shaved a 1/4 kilo off

 

A little anal but it all adds up :0)

[dcc 855]

560-570kg! fml!

[wardy18 33 1 Cars]

Haha ooops, please drop the k from those figures!!!

[wardy18 33 1 Cars]

Well took the 205 to my old mans for the re-spray of the new boot and bonnet and the repair of the rear arch this morning and also to test out the 4.4 CWP on the way, blimey its lively with that in, can certainly tell a big difference and disrupted a few peoples sundays round the coast roads when she hit the limiter..... :wub:

[wardy18 33 1 Cars]

Where can i get a new fire extinguisher from that is actually reasonably priced and delivers to the Channel Islands, must be 1.75ltrs and AFFF or ZERO 2000 approved?

 

Anyone got any ideas?

 

Thanks

[tri_longer 25]

They do pop up on fleabay from time to time at a reasonable price, but its more luck than anything else. Are you after manual or electric? If you are mod prod you don't need one at all, so is it urgent you fit one, at least gives you time to look around.

[wardy18 33 1 Cars]

Well you say that.............(DEJA VU - Another debate about to start regarding regulations so fire away everyone if you can help)

 

I had heard that down the Hillclimb but then reading the Common Regulations for Competitors (Safety) - Section K and particularly:

 

K-3. A fire extinguisher/extinguishing system must be

carried on all vehicles, the minimum requirement being

that the system be charged with one of the permitted

extinguishants and be operable by the driver whilst

normally seated either by manual operation or by a

mechanically/electrically assisted triggering system.

 

I had not seen one which said Mod Prods did not need an extinguisher, please advise.

 

(Sorry for short post but dont hav alot of time to write)

[welshpug 1,661]

Peter Lloyd rallying do a very reasonably priced 2.25 L unit which I have seen in most rally cars out competing.

 

http://www.peterlloydrallying.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=121_58_74&products_id=108

 

they do a few other shapes too http://www.peterlloydrallying.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=74&zenid=ae9ea35abbbb5de39d4e4e842c084b01 usually very competitively priced

[tri_longer 25]

Section S supercedes this Simon, so not mandatory

 

10.1.14. Fire Extinguishers – K.3.1.2(a) recommended

for discharge into cockpit and engine compartment.

[wardy18 33 1 Cars]

Now my understanding of those 2 regs is:

 

K3 - States all cars must have a Fire Extinguisher of some size and form

 

S10.1.14 - Recommends that for Sprint and Hillclimbing Vehicles it is recommend that a Medium size is used

 

This to me is just the MSA clarifying which type of extinguisher they recommend for Hills/Sprints, it does not tell me that "a fire extinguisher is not required"

 

I do see what your saying Chris, Section S doesn't state a minimum requirement it only states a recommendation so as long as like you said the section S superceeds section K then i'll remove it!!

 

I think they need to write a new section in the bluebook on "How To Interpret Our Guidelines"

[tri_longer 25]

Its the one area that catches a lot of people out, you tend to read sections J & K first and then look at the specific section for your sport. In our case section S.

 

As I have always been told, section S takes precedence over all other sections unless otherise stated, so for example Section S specifically advises which parts of Section K are relevant for roll cages.

 

I have one fitted in mine, but as it is not mandatory it isn't mentioned on my logbook, as scuh no requirment for me to have it serviced at teh recommended service intervals either.

[wardy18 33 1 Cars]

This is the heading of Section S 10 which is for Sprints/Hillclimbs, so it states these regs are in addittion to Section J but not Section K so as you said overwrites K3 with a mere recommendation of what they think should be fitted but no requirements.

 

Technical Regulations

 

In addition to complying with Section J all vehicles

competing in Sprints, Hill Climbs must:

 

Sprint and Hill Climb Vehicles

 

10. All Sprint & Hill Climb vehicles must comply with

the following, as a minimum:

 

Ill have to check my log book now to see if they wrote in a fire extinguisher, if its on the log book do i need to retain it in the car then??

 

Ive never had it serviced either in like 4-5years!!

[welshpug 1,661]

as long as the needle is in the green its fine

[wardy18 33 1 Cars]

Yeh i have a check now and check it still in the green, doesnt matter now it'll be coming out, might just take it down the hillclimb with me just in case they kick up a stink i can bolt it back in!!

 

ooh thats saved me another good few kilos!!!!

[wardy18 33 1 Cars]

Fitted my re-conned Bendix 1.6Gti Calipers last night, fitted like a dream, a straight swap and an instant 3.2kg weight saving.

 

Also noticed possibly why my brakes were poor, the Greenstuff pads surfaces has a serious mirror finish to them so would have had as much bite on the discs as a bar of soap.........!!

 

 

 

 

 

[brumster 135 1 Cars]

As long as it's in the green, it's fine? I hope that was a tongue-in-cheek comment, Welshpug!

 

AFFF after a few years standing will be next to useless if you call upon it (well, let's face it, it's next to useless in the first place). I would think 4 years is about borderline - I think I let mine go about 4 years before having it refilled once, but that was the longest I left it. This is your pride and joy, let alone your life if you get caught in the thing - after all the effort I put into building the rally car I was not going to scrimp on the extinguisher side of things! A refill is only, like, £40 (granted Lifeline are local).

[Cameron 16]

EBC pads are s*ite, you'd do yourself a massive favour to get rid of them!

[wardy18 33 1 Cars]

Granted if i were rallying then yeh i would have a full extinguisher system but with hillclimbing there is a trained marshal with a large extinguisher every 100 yards or less, by the time i unclipped mine and got myself free of my seat they would be foaming me up already.

[welshpug 1,661]

you dont need to unclip, you just yank the T-pull.

[wardy18 33 1 Cars]

Mines only a hand held 2.25ltr so if i let it rip in situe it would extinguish a nice patch of my floor and nothig else!!

[welshpug 1,661]

I thought you were asking about plumbed in options