Setting Up Wiper Motor After Refurb.

[chrisj21 2]

I've recently refurbished the wiper motor and greased up all the linkage etc.

 

Upon putting it all back in i seem to have either set up the linkage wrong or set the motor incorrectly.

 

As far as i can see the linkage is all ok as the wipers do work, the problem i have is when i turn on the wipers (they are in the set postion at the bottom of the screen) they go down towards the bonnet maybe an inch or so and hit the rubber then go up as they should but do not reach the full way across the screen. I'm assuming i need to adjust the arm that comes from the motor to the linkage, can anyone tell if thats correct? is it just a case of fiddling with it untill its set correctly?

 

I hope i've explained that clearly enough.

 

Thanks

[GLPoomobile 958]

IIRC you need to loosen the nut on the back of the motor and move the linkage around until it is pointing to the drivers side (possibly pointing a bit diagonally down, but essentially towards the left as you look at it from the front). If you watch how the motor moves it all becomes clear. Once it's set right, move your wiper arms to the desired position and do everything up tight.

[Atari Boy 11]

i have been through this, I thought I really cocked it it when I first put it back together. As GLP said, fit the nuts loose first and then fine tune it and tighten.

[GSXR_J 0]

Ok so i think i have the same problem as you guys-basically changed the wiper motor from a standard 205 item to a 98' 106 one for increased speed and efficiency.

 

Now it does its full sweep no problems however when you turn the wipers off or move to intermittent, the wipers before coming to a complete stop, dip or drop down a few inches onto the rubber/plastic scuttle panel or further depending on where the wiper arms are tightened up, then come back up the screen to rest.

 

So to prevent this ive undone the wipers and moved them higher up the screen to stop going lower than the screen but now look daft cos there nearly half way up when at rest!!!

 

The motor was direct fit as was the plug-no modifications needed! I kept the 205 linkage however when built up came across this problem. Im sure the standard 205 one didnt do this!

 

Anyone else come across this situation or problem please let us know if its rectified as suggested in the posts above!

 

Many thanks!

[chrisj21 2]

I'm still stuck with this.

 

I thought it was where i'd positioned the points where they contact the cog but its not so im non the wiser.

 

I've tried setting it up with all the nuts loose but regardless it still dips and inch or so when i turn on the wipers and then goes up the screen, its as if its not quite finishing its cycle before the power is cut and then when restarted it finishes and restarts.

 

GSXR J :- yours is doing them same but at a slightly different time.

[marksorrento205 80]

It sounds like the arm that bolts to the motor is off by a few splines? Try unbolting the arm bolted to the motor, operate the motor and let it finnish where it does when switched off, then reconnect the arm onto the motor in the postition you want the wipers to rest at. If that does not work??

[chrisj21 2]

I've tested just the motor and another spare one, I've just opereated it not attached to anything, just wired up and you can see the spindle move slightly down then up again which is what made me think i'd set up the contact points wrong but my spare has never been apart and worked fine on the car it came from. i'm wondering now if its the relay causing problems? not sure how mind.

[pug_ham 244 3 Cars]

You shouldn't have to adjust the contact points or anything on the motor except to get the arm off the motor sat in the right place for the wipers to sit right when switched off.

 

Mark's method mentioned above is the easiest way, loosen the 10mm nut holding the arm onto the motor shaft & operate the wiper switch & let the motor stop after one revolution. Tu8rn the ignition off & position the wiper arms on the screen in the right place & tighten the 10mm nut back up.

 

That should be all you have to do.

 

Graham.

[chrisj21 2]

When i refurbished the motor all the cogs/ gears were removed and regreased etc so my point was that i thought i'd placed them in differently. and as i said i haven't and they are ok.

 

I have tried Mark's method and many others.

 

Regardless of wether i stop the motor in the right position or not it still goes back to operating incorrectly, i'll have another ago and see if i missed something but it seems odd that two motors do exactly the same thing.

 

Chris

[marksorrento205 80]

Just to check, have you tried fitting the other motor and see what thats like?

[GSXR_J 0]

chrisj21 - You've certainly made more attempts at sorting this problem than i have - it does seem to puzzle me why it dips down before resting half way up!

 

Im kind of thinking there maybe two different types of motor from the 106 and we have the ones that just arnt ment to work on 205's!!!

 

Please let us know if you manage to sort the problem and I will likewise! Goodluck!!!

[chrisj21 2]

marksorrento205 Posted Today, 05:26 PM

Just to check, have you tried fitting the other motor and see what thats like?

 

Yes fitted both motors Mark, Daz was here and he too was baffled. Testing both motors and them both doing the same is what leads me to think it might be a relay or something?

 

I'll have a fiddle with it the week, linkage etc.

 

Chris

[marksorrento205 80]

I will have a gander at mine if I get chance to see what it does. Chris can you get a pic of the linkage set up?

 

GSXR_J - servicebox only lists one part no for all the 106's. I have a 106 one fitted to my 205 and it was a straight swap. Not sure whats happening here

[chrisj21 2]

I'll try and describe it as best i can.

 

Starting with the wipers in the standard start position turned off.

 

When turned on the wipers (both) move down the screen onto the rubber seal (approx 1.5-2") and then start to move up the screen untill they reach aprrox 1.5-2" from there normal top position before returning to the botoom and resting in the normal finished position. and then the cycle starts again.

 

I understand how people may think i've not got the linkage set up correctly but i have tested both my current and spare motor un attached to the linkage and i can clearly see the motor moving in-correctly so it can't be the linkage imo. I may of course be wrong.

 

Chris

Edited December 13, 2009 by chrisj21

[GSXR_J 0]

GSXR_J - servicebox only lists one part no for all the 106's. I have a 106 one fitted to my 205 and it was a straight swap. Not sure whats happening here

 

Thats me baffled then!!!

[GSXR_J 0]

I'll try and describe it as best i can.

 

Starting with the wipers in the standard start position turned off.

 

When turned on the wipers (both) move down the screen onto the rubber seal (approx 1.5-2") and then start to move up the screen untill they reach aprrox 1.5-2" from there normal top position before returning to the botoom and resting in the normal finished position. and then the cycle starts again.

 

I understand how people may think i've not got the linkage set up correctly but i have tested both my current and spare motor un attached to the linkage and i can clearly see the motor moving in correctly so it can't be the linkage imo. I may of course be wrong.

 

Chris

 

Chris mine is doing the same but the opposite way round. Basically starts off ok but before stopping after a sweep goes down extra two inches onto the plastic scuttle panel then stops in normal postion! Seems very strange!!!

[Chris_Mi 6]

I had a similar issue, managed to resolve it. It was because the splines were worn, and the linkage was slipping around them.

 

Brief description here:

 

http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php?s...is_mi&st=30

[chrisj21 2]

I'll say again in my case its nothing to do with linkage, with the linkage removed I can clearly see the motor operating incorrectly.

Edited December 13, 2009 by chrisj21

[GLPoomobile 958]

This really shouldn't be difficult

 

Starting at the motor end, there is a short bracket bolted on to the splines of the motor. When the motor runs the bracket spins around in an arc. It will always stop and start at the same position.

 

For the sake of this illustration, lets assume that the stop and start position is at 12 O'clock. If you switch to intermittant wipe, the motor should do one 360 degree spin and the bracket should end up back at 12 O'clock.

 

Between your wiper spindles and the short bracket on the motor you have long arms. When you connect everything together (forget the wiper arms at this stage) the short brackets on the spindles will sit in a certain position dictated by the lenght of all the connected parts and the stop/start position of the motor bracket.

 

Now, loosen the nut that holds the short bracket to the splines on the motor. With the nut removed you can spin the bracket around and as you do so, all the linkages will move, and you will see the short brackets at spindle end move fro side to side in a small arc. Looking from above, if the motor spins anti clockwise, when it reaches 9 O'clock the linkage arms will be pulled fully to the left and so the brackets at the spindle end wll be pulled to left to the maximum of their permitted movement, which will push the wipers to the right. As the motor continues to turn towards 6 O'clock it'll be pushing the linkages back towards the right, which will cause the wipers to travel towards the left. By the time it's reached 3 O'clock the linkages will be fully right and the wipers fully left.

 

In order to set you wiper parking position, you need to move the short bracket on the spline until it reaches the point where the short brackets at the spindles are sitting sitting at their furthest point to the left. If they are at the furthest point left, they cannot rotate the spindles any further clockwise, and they will then start their stroke to the right causing the spindles to rotate anti clockwise, making your wipers move back up the screen.

 

It's all about finding the sweet spot, then clamping it back on the splines, and then fitting your wiper arms at the base of the screen.

 

I've probably made this sound too complicated but I wanted to explain it as fully as I could.

Edited December 14, 2009 by GLPoomobile

[chrisj21 2]

Thanks for your detailed reply GLP.

 

As you say it shouldn't be that difficult and i agree, i also understand how the linkages/motor work, i'm not a complete numpty .

 

Before i removed the arm from the motor spindle i marked it so i would know where to put it back and im sure i've positioned it in the correct place, but as said i'll have another go and hopefully its just something daft i've missed.

 

Thanks

 

Chris

[GSXR_J 0]

Hey chris, paid another visit to mine this evening and finally got sorted fairly quickly! Its all working as it should and presume you were having same problems as me. Basically heres what i did to rectify the problem:

 

1.Stripped out the whole motor and linkage system.

 

2.Undid the 13mm nut holding linkage arms to motor spline.

 

3.Reconnected the motor to power plug and turned ignition on moving the wiper arm to intermittent. (Wiper spline resets its pattern and then let it do 360 rotation.)

 

4.Disconnect the motor.

 

5.Allign the linkage arms horizontally to the top edge of the motor mounting plate and secure back in place with 13mm nut making sure not to move the motor spline.

 

6.Refit motor and arms back into place, refit scuttle panel and wiper arms at bottom of screen.

 

7.Test-should now operate as intended-minor adjustments may be made with wiper arms!

 

Enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chrisj21 2]

Nice! Glad your all sorted, i'll give it another go this week.

 

Chris

[marksorrento205 80]

Hey chris, paid another visit to mine this evening and finally got sorted fairly quickly! Its all working as it should and presume you were having same problems as me. Basically heres what i did to rectify the problem:

 

1.Stripped out the whole motor and linkage system.

 

2.Undid the 13mm nut holding linkage arms to motor spline.

 

3.Reconnected the motor to power plug and turned ignition on moving the wiper arm to intermittent. (Wiper spline resets its pattern and then let it do 360 rotation.)

 

4.Disconnect the motor.

 

5.Allign the linkage arms horizontally to the top edge of the motor mounting plate and secure back in place with 13mm nut making sure not to move the motor spline.

 

6.Refit motor and arms back into place, refit scuttle panel and wiper arms at bottom of screen.

 

7.Test-should now operate as intended-minor adjustments may be made with wiper arms!

 

Enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Is that not the same as..... or is there something im missing

 

 

It sounds like the arm that bolts to the motor is off by a few splines? Try unbolting the arm bolted to the motor, operate the motor and let it finnish where it does when switched off, then reconnect the arm onto the motor in the postition you want the wipers to rest at. If that does not work??

 

 

You shouldn't have to adjust the contact points or anything on the motor except to get the arm off the motor sat in the right place for the wipers to sit right when switched off.

 

Mark's method mentioned above is the easiest way, loosen the 10mm nut holding the arm onto the motor shaft & operate the wiper switch & let the motor stop after one revolution. Tu8rn the ignition off & position the wiper arms on the screen in the right place & tighten the 10mm nut back up.

 

That should be all you have to do.

 

Graham.

 

 

This really shouldn't be difficult

 

Starting at the motor end, there is a short bracket bolted on to the splines of the motor. When the motor runs the bracket spins around in an arc. It will always stop and start at the same position.

 

For the sake of this illustration, lets assume that the stop and start position is at 12 O'clock. If you switch to intermittant wipe, the motor should do one 360 degree spin and the bracket should end up back at 12 O'clock.

 

Between your wiper spindles and the short bracket on the motor you have long arms. When you connect everything together (forget the wiper arms at this stage) the short brackets on the spindles will sit in a certain position dictated by the lenght of all the connected parts and the stop/start position of the motor bracket.

 

Now, loosen the nut that holds the short bracket to the splines on the motor. With the nut removed you can spin the bracket around and as you do so, all the linkages will move, and you will see the short brackets at spindle end move fro side to side in a small arc. Looking from above, if the motor spins anti clockwise, when it reaches 9 O'clock the linkage arms will be pulled fully to the left and so the brackets at the spindle end wll be pulled to left to the maximum of their permitted movement, which will push the wipers to the right. As the motor continues to turn towards 6 O'clock it'll be pushing the linkages back towards the right, which will cause the wipers to travel towards the left. By the time it's reached 3 O'clock the linkages will be fully right and the wipers fully left.

 

In order to set you wiper parking position, you need to move the short bracket on the spline until it reaches the point where the short brackets at the spindles are sitting sitting at their furthest point to the left. If they are at the furthest point left, they cannot rotate the spindles any further clockwise, and they will then start their stroke to the right causing the spindles to rotate anti clockwise, making your wipers move back up the screen.

 

It's all about finding the sweet spot, then clamping it back on the splines, and then fitting your wiper arms at the base of the screen.

 

I've probably made this sound too complicated but I wanted to explain it as fully as I could.

 

Edit: Im not picking faults, just wondering if im missing something usefull for later use, apart from the fact you removed it all from the car instead of doing it in situ?

Edited December 15, 2009 by marksorrento205

[chrisj21 2]

I think what i may be doing wrong is not re-setting the motor to its right position be refitting it.

 

We will see.