Predetor Mapable Ecu

[bobob 0]

I thought I would start a project thread regarding the ECU that has been discussed here.

 

I went to See Andy from datashift in Southampton. He explained how he makes the ECUs and what work goes into each. Once he had finished confusing my brain with all of the electronic speak, he then showed me a couple of his cars that currently run his predetor ecus. One was a saxo, the other was a MR2 turbo.

 

He took me out in the MR2 and showed me how it had changed the characteristic's of the car. It had no lag and the performance was out standing, even on the lower power map

 

At first he is planning to develop the ECU for the S16 engine, with a view to create the GTI6 and Mi16 Aluminum block ecu next

 

These will not just fit the 306, but any car running the stock ecu, like 205 conversions, etc.

 

The mappable ECUs plug straight into the existing socket, with no need to have a new loom made up, thus, eliminating some of the cost of the competitors (Emerald, KMS, etc.). The Predator seems to be pretty much future proof, with the ability to map cam, throttle bodies, turbo and the famous superchargers!

 

Overall I think that these seem a very good and competitive package, allowing you to remap for future mods yourself, is you feel confident. Also, I think that the price will be very surprising considering that it will INCLUDE road mapping

 

So no more excuse for not upgrading to cams or throttle bodies!

 

I will get my car on the rolling road at Janspeed, ready for a comparison graph done once the work will be finished, obviously on the same rollers.

Edited August 22, 2009 by bobob

[gti-si 0]

Good to hear. I'll be getting one off him when he's got a proven design down.

 

You sure he's not designing the Gti6 ECU first? That's certainly the impression I was under

[welshpug 1,657]

I sent Andy some autodata pinout listings for the S16/4052.0 Mi16 ecu, and explained the workings of the acav system and wher the MAP is and I think he's done most of it already!

 

Doubt the GTi6 is going to be long as he's already done an MM 1AP ecu (TU5J4) just needs to add a few more functions to cope with the sequential spark and fuelling that the TU5J4's ecu doesnt do.

[gti-si 0]

Bloody hell! He's not hanging about then! Good to hear. I'm just looking forward to an easier method of diagnosing sensor faults...oh, and the scope for some very tastefull modifications

[pugpete1108 62 1 Cars]

price quoted on the 306 forum is £495 fitted and mapped, that still sounds fairly expensive for a newly produced ecu kit?

 

not doubting his ability at all btw.

 

i saw ditautotune are doing a similar type of ecu (but no pug connections as of yet)

 

clicky

[gti-si 0]

That doesn't sound expensive to me in the slightest. As long as it's well tested before hand and I'm sure it will. There's plenty happy saxo lad's driving around on them.

[welshpug 1,657]

its probably not far off the price of a megasquirt ecu and mapping, but with the nice functionality that is just plugs straight in, about time IMO that someone did that, though they will have a fairly limited market.

[Bonzai 2]

price quoted on the 306 forum is £495 fitted and mapped, that still sounds fairly expensive for a newly produced ecu kit?

 

not doubting his ability at all btw.

 

i saw ditautotune are doing a similar type of ecu (but no pug connections as of yet)

 

clicky

 

 

compared to around £1000 for a 2nd hand emerald, handmade loom, new air temp sensor and mapping by Dave Walker, id say its pretty good value

[bobob 0]

its probably not far off the price of a megasquirt ecu and mapping, but with the nice functionality that is just plugs straight in, about time IMO that someone did that, though they will have a fairly limited market.

 

Out of interest, why do you say it is a fairly limited market? Is it because people will still want the likes of Emerald and Omex?

 

Also, I think that maybe more people will take the plunge into getting mappable management if these things become more affordable fully fitted and mapped...

[rubyna 4 1 Cars]

I have just been reading about this over on the 306forum and it seems a very good price.. As im looking

at getting a set of jenveys real soon hopefully next week , Iwill be interested to see the outcome of this

system or to stick with Emrald ,Omex, DTA etc. The saxo lot seem well happy with the results? (not that id

take the word of a chav,d up saxo man!!) but thier dyno results speak for their selves and the s16 thats been

fitted with said ecu should soon provide results!! We shall see..

[welshpug 1,657]

Out of interest, why do you say it is a fairly limited market? Is it because people will still want the likes of Emerald and Omex?

 

Also, I think that maybe more people will take the plunge into getting mappable management if these things become more affordable fully fitted and mapped...

 

 

How many 306 S16/gti6 or 205 S16/gti6 owners would need or want an aftermarket ecu, compared to the near unlimited applications an ecu like an emerald one can be used for.

 

All the supercharged 306's out there (nearly 40 kits by now I believe have been sold) are running on o.e ecu's mapped to suit by Wayne Schofield of Chipwizards, so a fairly small specific market.

 

I do agree with you that it will bring more people into the aftermarket management field, and as you mentioned Andy can set them up to run throttle bodies or boost as well as just a standard or cammed engine.

 

All good IMO, good luck to Andy, I'll forward the M1.3 and ML4.1 pinouts as soon as I get 5.

Edited August 22, 2009 by welshpug

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

But as said if you add Cam's etc and a remap at some silly price this ECU does seem to make sense and without the need to dricve up North which the time taken will make this cheaper for us lot down South

Will make a nice Package if marketed correctly

[welshpug 1,657]

indeed it's like Megasquirt fr the people that don't want to faff

 

I'm certainly interested as I'd like to chuck some cams in my ZX on the standard intake but there's no way i'd want to spend a grand just on an ecu for what started as a £250 MOT'd car that I later stuck a £300 engine into.

[24seven 104]

If he can produce new ECU's for new cars that quickly, he'll soon find himself producing a range of ECU's to suit different cars/engines. Especially if he finds a way into the jap car scene.

[bobob 0]

He has now got a supercharged 306 Rallye that he is producing an ECU for. Will certainly be good to see the result

[bobob 0]

In preparation for the new ecu being fitted I have taken my car down to Janspeed for the 'before' graph:

 

 

The results are at the wheels. The only modifications to the standard S16 engine are: Magnex exhaust system, decat and gti6 inlet manifold.

[johnrobertgordon 0]

In preparation for the new ecu being fitted I have taken my car down to Janspeed for the 'before' graph:

 

 

The results are at the wheels. The only modifications to the standard S16 engine are: Magnex exhaust system, decat and gti6 inlet manifold.

 

 

Hi,

 

What throttle body has been used with the gti6 inlet manifold?

 

thanks

John

[welshpug 1,657]

gti6 I would think, the S16 one is smaller and has a different bolt patttern, I;d like to try and fit a larger one to the S16 manifold though.

 

did you manage to sort an S16 intake for Sarty John?

[bobob 0]

Hi,

 

What throttle body has been used with the gti6 inlet manifold?

 

thanks

John

 

As far as I know it is the Gti6 throttle body, but miles will know for definite as he did the conversion

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

Std GTi6 T/B, no reason to use any other.

 

Hopefully you'll get rid of the dip of power around the 3k mark with the new ECU fitted and you should gain a nice amount on the top end, Before you do this thou I'll give you a set of GTi6 injectors to fit

[johnrobertgordon 0]

Welshpug: Sarty sorted out a full s16 inlet system through Miles.

 

Miles and bobob: I was wondering as the s16 i'm using has an mi16 inlet manifold with an s16 throttle body bolted to it. I know the gti6 one is a lot bigger. Has the gti6 item got all the same plug types for the TPS for example?

[welshpug 1,657]

yup, I had an S16 TPS on my gti6 throttle body for a few months the other two are normal colour coded 2 pin JPT plugs.

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

The plug's the same but not sure of the part numbers these day's but I'm sure they are the same, As said why anyone would use the S16 TB is beyond me as it's so small.

[Galifrey 1]

Any update on this ECU?

[bobob 0]

Not yet, I have heard, over on the GTi6 forum, that he has been sorting out the GTi6 ECU. I am very eager to get the S16 ECU sorted as I want to get on with a couple of other trial parts fitted