Oil Cooler With/without Thermostat

[djinuk 2]

I am purchasing a stand along oil cooler for my gti6 however there are two diffrent sandwhich adapters for the oil filter, one has no thermostat, and the other does. The price diff is about £20.

 

Is a thermostat ideal for the gti6 engines or is this just another thing to go wrong.

[engine killer 6]

I am purchasing a stand along oil cooler for my gti6 however there are two diffrent sandwhich adapters for the oil filter, one has no thermostat, and the other does. The price diff is about £20.

 

Is a thermostat ideal for the gti6 engines or is this just another thing to go wrong.

 

it won't go wrong with a thermostat especially in the winter.

[djinuk 2]

just wondering if theres any chance of thermostat going wrong as it super heating the oil if you get me.

[guffe 2]

Well don't you have an oil temperature gauge?

[rubyna 4 1 Cars]

Would be interested in the answer to this aswell? also is the sandwhich plate the same fitment from

the Mi16 as it is for the GTi6 also??

TIA.

[djinuk 2]

yea i do have a temp gauge but what im saying is , do the thermostats screw up , much like water thermostats do.

 

Surely thats a bit like saying, "are these randiator and fans really as s*it as people say and will my car over heat?" and recieving the answer "well you have a water temp gauge"

Edited August 20, 2009 by djinuk

[philfingers 5]

even with a stat they take a long time to warm up, for road use only an oil to water cooler is probably better. Even with a stat they bleed oil trhough the cooler, my Mi takes 20 miles on the motorway at 4000rpm to get to the correct temp! Even on a hot day, around town it doesn't get to temp and i have a mocal sandwich with stat and mocal cooler.

I think Mi and Gti6 are the same, most are, it's only the internal 'bolt' which has different threads in most cases

[sideways danny 0]

always use a thermostatic plate with an oil cooler. I even upgraded to a 100deg stat to make sure the oil didn't get over cooled

[jtek 0]

I run a Thermostat plate on mine with a 13 row cooler, and it registers temperature relatively quickly but is then pretty stable which in my books means it's doing it's job well! It's a pretty simple system and I doubt it would be very prone to failure, if it's a Mocal plate then I think they are probably pretty experienced in the area. One point worth noting is that with an iron block engine that already had the water/oil exchanger as standard, you will be missing the M20 threaded adaptor that goes into the block and connects to the sandwich plate adaptor piece. I will try and dig out the part number for this but it needs to come from Pug and costs £1.50 or something like that. That's if you don't have an old engine you can rob one off lying around!

[djinuk 2]

please mate if you can that would be great, its going onto the gti6 block so yea i will need that threaded adapter

[philfingers 5]

the threaded adaptor is available from most places, I got mine from Merlin Motorsport I think, along with the rest of the oil cooler kits. It was called Renault 5 turbo take off or something like that I think

[philfingers 5]

The M20 x 1.5 male to male adaptor from Merlin is as follows:-

 

Stock no 626, Description: R5 GT Turbo Extension Screw M20X15

[James_R 3]

Have you found you're over heating your oil??

 

On the engines with alloy sumps on on anything but continuous track abuse they don't get hot enough to worry at all, to the point I would only bother fitting one for a UK track day and remove it the rest of the time.

 

The sump set up is designed to have the water/oil heater/cooler set up so the sump is meant to shed heat all the time.

 

Even at the ring lapping back to back on an alloy sump I've seen oil temps no higher than motorway cruising.

 

 

That said if you really need/want one I'd get a normal plate and block off the cooler unless the car starts getting hot then reduce the covering till the temps bang on.

[guffe 2]

yea i do have a temp gauge but what im saying is , do the thermostats screw up , much like water thermostats do.

 

Surely thats a bit like saying, "are these randiator and fans really as s*it as people say and will my car over heat?" and recieving the answer "well you have a water temp gauge"

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to be so harsh, but I don't think that thermostat failure would be so serious thing as you have a temp gauge and warning lights for over heating.

 

I don't want to be a wiseass (but I am) saying this, but how often does your thermostats screw up then if you are so conserned about it?

[philfingers 5]

If i were to run my car in the winter then I'd make a plate up to cover the cooler over. It takes 20 miles at 4000rpm to get to operating temp, even with a stat. Which is too long. .. . . .

[AlexN 7]

The M20 x 1.5 male to male adaptor from Merlin is as follows:-

 

Stock no 626, Description: R5 GT Turbo Extension Screw M20X15

I thought rather than start a new thread I would resurrect an old one (also to demonstrate I have used the search function before asking!).

 

Basically I am trying to fit a Mocal sandwich plate to my XU10J4TE engine, and I bought the adapter recommended above from Merlin. The T16 engine originally came with a water/oil cooler so it only has a female thread in the block. Unfortunately it seems the block thread is not M20; the original extension bolt has a slightly larger thread. I don't have my thread gauges with me so I can't work out what it is.

 

Can anyone help identify the thread, and also suggest where I can get the correct adapter? Is this something that I can get from Peugeot? I am sure this is a school-boy error on my part, but any help will be very much appreciated!

[welshpug 1,662]

there is a short adapter piece you can buy that is used on engines that didn't have the heat exchanger, that is part number 1103 54

 

and as you can see from the description, it is an M20 x1.50 thread, 27mm long.

 

OIL FILT INSERT DIAM 20X150-LG 27 - INJECTION XU10J2

 

that will give you a male thread poking out of the block if that's what you need?

Edited June 26, 2010 by welshpug

[boldy205 75]

Miles sells these aadapters. I bought one from him a while back. I can highly recomend him, a very professional chap!