4wd Or Rwd 300hp?

[andychalmers 0]

This project is awsome, however in my experience getting the engine to fit etc is the easy bit & that wont be easy, the steering, shafts, suspension etc are the hard bit.

I have a 205 RWD with a 2L pinto engine in it 95% finished, plus have a cosworth turbo engine ready to fit. I've given up as spend all my time on the rally car. Both car & cosworth engine will be ip for sale soon.

 

I'll take pics of my car when I get chance to give you some ideas.

[mbayley77 0]

This project is awsome, however in my experience getting the engine to fit etc is the easy bit & that wont be easy, the steering, shafts, suspension etc are the hard bit.

I have a 205 RWD with a 2L pinto engine in it 95% finished, plus have a cosworth turbo engine ready to fit. I've given up as spend all my time on the rally car. Both car & cosworth engine will be ip for sale soon.

 

I'll take pics of my car when I get chance to give you some ideas.

 

Pictures would be great. We are already planning what the next crazy will be - i like the sound of the cossie powered 205 : keep in touch

 

I think your definately right regards the handling / suspension set up. Fingers crossed the fronts should be fairly straight forward using the whole subaru set up to get things going and using that as a good starting point.

As for the rears again we will use the subaru set up but getting it to fit in could be more interesting given the space. We havnt actually measured the rear width available but it looks real tight. More pics and measurements to come on this matter......

[jplautomotive 0]

i have a 205 RWD with a 2L pinto engine in it 95% finished, plus have a cosworth turbo engine ready to fit. I've given up as spend all my time on the rally car. Both car & cosworth engine will be ip for sale soon.

 

I'll take pics of my car when I get chance to give you some ideas.

 

hi

 

have you any pics ? how much you after ? you may save me some work cause i planning on doing one of these

[andychalmers 0]

I'll try get some pics soon as possible but away in Isle on Man all weekend on Manx rally.

[mbayley77 0]

Its been a busy week this week - but unfortunately not on the project so not so much activity to report.

 

Basically the impreza has started to be prepared for the measuring stage and the major works to begin.

 

Saturday was spent with the aim of starting the wiring loom work needed.

Basically we would like to get the loom semi prepared before the car is in a state of non running. This way we can still test that everything works the way it should before any transplanting. If it works now, and then it doesnt work after transplanting we know something has gone wrong - rather than not knowing if its something in the wiring change we have done or something to do with the tranplant! (does that make sense???)

 

So first of all.....the rear interior components were removed from the impreza to expose the rear sections of wiring loom. Simple - much like the 205 the impreza seats are only kept in with a few bolts so this didnt take too long. Also like the 205 the imprezas plastic trim clips like to break, so resale of these parts has changed into landfill.

 

With the wiring loom exposed and multi meter in hand the 205 rear light clusters were grafted onto the subaru wiring loom. This isnt much of a job really - easier with the 205 wiring diagram, but dopey here forgot the subaru one so was just a case of trying it sometimes and the multi meter. Strangly enough both the 205 and the impreza dont have integral fog lights so sticking with the external fog light set up.

 

From here I worked my way forwards through the car - labelling and disconnecting EVERY connector that i came across on the wiring loom. Its quite a few you know

 

 

Each of the yellow bits in the photo is a label attached to the loom. And im not too far into the dash connectors yet!

 

Obviously we are hoping that the majority of wiring can be removed from the loom beefore the conversion. All electric window controls / heater controls / central locking / interior lighting etc etc etc will be removed. As with previous statements the aim is to do this whilst the car can still run in its current state. Proving that nothing we have done has messed anything up.

 

 

Basically I managed to get right the way to the front of the car and pull the connectors from the "in car" loom to the engine loom - hence why the headlight and indicator were removed from the car - and YES even the most obvious headlight connectors were labelled so hopefully no confusion later on.

The passenger wing was also unbolted (except for the stubborn broken bolt in the very bottom hence its still looks attached!)

 

I / We still have some dash to remove to get the drivers side wiring completely out and free to start stripping, but the back of it is broke now.

 

 

So this is what our project looks like now.......2 big piles of scrap lol

 

Time taken for impreza stripping / wiring was 8 hours (one person)

Total project time - 22.5 hours

[BERTMAN 40 1 Cars]

So this is what our project looks like now.......2 big piles of scrap lol

 

haha, mine also looks like a pile of scrap lol

 

very nice project by the way... kind of thing i would do if i had money to burn

Edited July 16, 2009 by BERTMAN

[maturin23 10]

Great stuff guys - this is an excellent project.

I'll be following this thread with real interest - combining two of the most fun cars I've owned.

 

I'm particularly impressed with your methodological approach so far - what seperates people like me with the real experts.

[Popshot 0]

I started a 4wd 205 project a while ago. I narrowed it down to two donors. The Scooby and XR4x4. The Scooby was great but expensive so I went XR4x4 with a Cosworth V6 from a Scorpio. The Ford is a lot wider than the Pug so fills the T16 arches well. I've got the front end in and am working on the gearbox and tunnel now.

Edited July 18, 2009 by Popshot

[fast_eddie 0]

Hats off to anyone that tries this although its made easier by being in a garage style workshop it still requires commitment and determination. I bottled my MK3 RWD project about 60 percent of the way through it after getting a bare shell delivered to me--I was only 20 years old at the time and bit off more than I could chew as it was being done in my garage at home with not many tools!

Good luck guys.

[omega 82]

just make sure its good tape

i stipped a loom once outof a car and labeld it with dyno tape[thought i was being clever as i cant read my own writing]

hung the loom up in the garage two weeks later went back for it and all the dyno tape had dried out and was on the floor

words can not describe how i felt

Edited July 19, 2009 by jackherer
removed redundant quote

[base-1 17]

We don't need to read it all twice

[OlberJ 1]

Just noticed your avatar base-1. Class.

 

"We want Rick...to f*** us up!"

[mbayley77 0]

Latest quick update.....

 

BBQ and home made punch equals no work done to project

 

Well not quite nothing.

 

Some good advice coming in now I see.

Loom is labelled with label gun thing so am not expecting good things from it if OMEGA's experience is anything to go by - The loom is half out now and tucked safely away in a drawer so am hoping will be ok (hoping like hell as can feel the frustration of finding labels on the floor already)

 

Anyone who has done any sort of project like this please please please keep the advice coming and photos would be great...can be on here or email them to me at mbayley77@hotmail.com

 

Ok the very short update for the project.

At the end of last week we spent a few hours finalising the wiring loom. All excess wiring has been removed from the loom. Electric windows / central locking / heater controls etc etc are now all gone.

Worrying moment was starting on the Clifford alarm system - ahem, I dont have a clue why we all pay so much to have these fitted or how much the insurance companies really think these do! It was removed in no time at all and I really think that there are a lot of cars out there with not so much security as people may think

 

So with wiring removed as much as we feel appropriate the test was starting the car......would you believe it fired straight up

 

FInal couple of hours of that evening where spent starting to brace the suspension turrets etc. Just want some form of being able to remove the suspension mounts and keep them in roughly the correct geometry. So we decided to start and weld a frame like strut braces, and add some reference bars so we can weld in the new turrets in the 205 using levels etc.

 

 

 

 

Total hours this night was 3hrs (x2 people)

Total time 28.5 hours

 

Next stage - engine and running gear out and finish the bracing for the suspension tie ups. Hopefully tomorrow evening.

[mbayley77 0]

Well, its been a long time since ive posted so wanted to update everyone.

 

First things first - Ive faild to do one thing that I wanted to do on this build - and thats to keep a record of the numbe of hours of working on this project.

Total so far = lots

 

So a run down of the work that has been happening on the cars.

 

Well the engine was taken out of the Impreza with ease, thats one thing Japanese cars have over there european competitors : the cars are so easy to take apart and replace parts. Was only about 8 bolts to get the engine and gearbox lifted out and the engine bay was now empty to see exactly what was laying ahead.

 

 

Our main datum (whether right ot wrong remember we are no experts lol) are the front turret tops as these are pretty much unmovable from the shell and would therefore dictate the position of the gearbox for driveshaft allignment : then obviously the engine would need to be connected to the gearbox.

 

We already knew from measuring the turrets from the impreza and the 205 that the distance to centres of each turret only varies by a couple of mm. This can easily be taken up by adjustable top mounts.

By just trialling the fit of the subaru strut into the 205 turret we were amazed that it would actually fit with very minimal modification of the turret. This was a massive bonus as we thought that we were going to have to make whole new turrets up.

 

 

With the struts in place it was just way to tempting not to offer the sub frame into the empty engine bay to see if our measurements were actually correct. This would show if the chassis legs of the 205 were anywhere close to accepting / being modified to have the sub frame from the impreza mount without troubles. In actual fact its not bad at all. The 205 chassis is actually a little wider than the impreza and so with some slight boxing and chassis strengthening we will be able to mount the impreza sub frame to the 205 chassis. Thus keeping a lot of structural integritty of the car and also mean we dont have to make cradles etc to hod the engine and steering components.

 

 

From the pics you can start to see just how much wider the track of the impreza is compared to the 205. Our origninal measurements hinted at 3" per side. Again we were amazed at just how correct we were being This isnt a problem and although it wont end up looking standard we liked the ultra wide track of the 205. It raised much debate and wether or not we should go the route of the typical T16 kit or not. To keep a uniqueness to the project we decided against it and have come up with some other ideas of making our own wings etc. But that will come much later.

Edited January 24, 2010 by mbayley77

[mbayley77 0]

Time to move back to the impreza as the next logical step was to cut the tunnel and bulk head from the car so we could offer up parts to the 205.

 

Time to make a convertible. The roof of the impreza was getting in the way and to try and create as much space as possible we set to cutting the parts we wanted to keep from the car so we could dispose of the rest of it. This would give us a hole car space to work in and layout bits as the piles of junk were getting bigger whilst working space was getting smaller!

 

 

Ta daaaaaa

 

With rough measurements we had to start somewhere so we cut a minimal tunnel into the 205 as well. (If id known how many we were going to use I would have bought shares in cutting discs!)

 

 

Its difficult to talk about cutting bits of metal and making it sound interesting!

 

The view from the front - this hole would need to get bigger......MUCH BIGGER

[mbayley77 0]

Seems like I cannot add any further images?

 

But you can find the full story at

 

SCUG BLOG

 

Add it to your favorites.

 

Ill write on here when its updated.

 

And if anyone knows how I can increase the pictures used Id be greatful.

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

WOW awesome project! How the hell have I never noticed this thread before? Look forward to following this build, Good luck mate.

[mbayley77 0]

Its going to be a long one!

Edited January 24, 2010 by mbayley77

[Ren 0]

Looks like a good project.

 

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