What Oil Filter For An Mi16

[dino20vt 3]

Ive got an 1.9 16v thats already in a 205, it was originally from a bx. The oil filter is attached to the block at the front under the inlet but with some sort of sandwich housing.

 

It has two hose take offs but nothing connected, was the oil cooled by water or air?

 

Can i remove it as its redundant and taking up space?

 

Does an mi need the oil cooling?

 

What oil filter do i need? Ive heard a clio 16v item may be a better fit as its stubby?

 

Whether peugeot or renault wheres the cheapest to buy genuine?

Edited May 3, 2009 by dino20vt

[AndyJ 1]

If you take the sandwich plate off (it was a water cooled affair iirc), a standard mi16 filter will go right on no problems.

 

(Mine never had a cooler on so i can't vouch for what will fit with it on)

Edited May 3, 2009 by AndyJ

[matty_gti 20]

If the pipes are not blanked off coming from the sandwich plate then I’m guessing it was air cooled.

 

I would only get oil filters from Peugeot as they have a non return valve inside them where as after market oil filters don't.

[rapidmi 4]

ull get a r5 turbo filter to fit with ur sandwich plate on

[dino20vt 3]

I'll post some pictures tomorrow, a picture speaks a thousands words!

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

It's a Heat exchanger to heat the oil up more than cool it as when pushed hard everything heats everything up, Just remove it by the stud inside 27mm (I think) and stick the oil filter on the block, Easy as that

[dino20vt 3]

Will the block accept the same oil filter?

 

Did Mi16s ever use an oil cooler?

 

Do the likes of gsf/ecp sell genuine filters?

 

Do the 205 xu engines share the same filter as the 16v varients? I ask as my local main dealer wont even look at me without a vin - something i dont have. If i say its for any 1.9 205/405 that SHOULD be able to supply me with one.

[pugit666 2]

Will the block accept the same oil filter?

 

Did Mi16s ever use an oil cooler?

 

Do the likes of gsf/ecp sell genuine filters?

 

Do the 205 xu engines share the same filter as the 16v varients? I ask as my local main dealer wont even look at me without a vin - something i dont have. If i say its for any 1.9 205/405 that SHOULD be able to supply me with one.

 

i have the same problem with the guy at york. he is a cock. one day he asked for my number plate its, E......... he typed it in then said oh sorry your car is too old i can't help you. In the end i had to show him what servicebox is for.

[Anthony 1,003]

All XU's use the same filter AFAIK.

 

405 Mi's had a block mount oil-water heat exchanger as standard, which as Miles says is more for heating up the oil faster than for cooling. Remove that, and assuming it doesn't come out with the heat exchanger, you'll be left with a threaded stud just like an 8v.

 

GSF certainly used to sell genuine filters, but not sure if they still do off the top of my head.

[dino20vt 3]

Is an oil cooler worth bothering with ie the air cooled set up like on a non pas equipped 1.9? If so will it bolt straight on?

[dino20vt 3]

Is an oil cooler worth bothering with ie the air cooled set up like on a non pas equipped 1.9? If so will it bolt straight on?

 

What oil shall I go for and where from?

My first thought is possibly 10w40 semi synthetic from gsf, maybe made by Total as i just bought some gearbox oil which comes highly recommended.

Edited May 3, 2009 by dino20vt

[Baz 421]

Yep, 27mm nut to remove it.

 

ull get a r5 turbo filter to fit with ur sandwich plate on

 

Same as a clio one then, alot more compact.

[Jon_Bmw 13]

Do the heat exchangers actually hinder the oil cooling process once on a track?

[Baz 421]

IMO yes. Air cooler would be better for track work.

[welshpug 1,666]

yes, My ZX's oil temps get up to about 130 degrees even though the coolant never gets above 90, (its a standard gti6 engine layout)

 

my 205 on the other hand rarely sees the oil temp needle move much further than the first mark as its a 1.9 with the air-oil cooler.

[Anthony 1,003]

Do the heat exchangers actually hinder the oil cooling process once on a track?

I wouldn't say that hinder is the right word, as being an exchanger it will dump heat from the oil into the cooling system as well as getting the oil upto temperature quicker - it won't be as effective as a well specced air-oil cooler for outright cooling though as you'd expect, but is in my opinion more effective than nothing.

 

Biggest issue in my experience with water-oil heat exchangers is lack of spare cooling capacity resulting in the coolant temperature rapidly climbing on track - at (old) Anglesey it took me about 10-15 minutes to have both the oil and coolant temperature on the end of the gauges on my 309 Goodwood Newer cars like 306 GTi-6's seem to cope much better in my experience though, and maintain both oil and coolant temperature well - I assume the cooling system has more spare capacity and the radiators have suffered a few less years of corrosion/clogging.

[Alastairh 47]

Personally i thought the heat exchanger worked well on my old Mi which was strictly a road car for me.

 

It warmed the oil and water up quickly in the winter, but never went dangerously high in temp even after a long 5th gear rev limiter run. I also had a second fan just in case.

 

For track though, i would be looking for a mocal. Not really needed for the road.

 

Al

[Jon_Bmw 13]

Some interesting thoughts. After a 20 minute track session I find that the oil temperature is fairly high on the s*ite standard gauge and the oil pressure will drop to around 22-25 hot idle on 10w40. The temperature doesn't reach the red, but the mark before IIRC(sorry I don't drive it everyday!)

 

Haven't ever had a problem with coolant temperatures though, they have always been bang on the money. I think a proper oil temperature gauge might not go amiss, problem is, is it really worth putting it in the bottom on the sump where the oil is going to be at its 'coolest?'

 

Its trying to find a happy medium I guess, personally I think(if you can believe the Pug gauges) that only 1 mark up, as per welshy, is a little too cool to be thrashing round on track. I'd want to get the oil up to around 110 degrees if possible and maintain that. I presume aftermarket temp. controlled oil-air coolers are available??

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

Have to agree that on the road they are a good idea as it get's everyting to the right temp's, On track thou as said it took me 10 mins to get the oil Temp guage almost of the scale on the 6, I might try and blank it off next time out