Mi16 Conversion Issues

[Guest milky_p]

Hi, ive recently fitted a g reg mi16 from a bx in my 205 and have been quite sucessful beating the brick walls so far.

 

I am using the loom from the bx and have just realised there is no flywheel timing sensor. I would be very grateful if someone could tell me if i should have one or not.

 

Also the exhaust obviously does not line up in your experiance what is the best way around this

 

cheers, will

[Mikey S 29 1 Cars]

Hi, ive recently fitted a g reg mi16 from a bx in my 205 and have been quite sucessful beating the brick walls so far.

 

I am using the loom from the bx and have just realised there is no flywheel timing sensor. I would be very grateful if someone could tell me if i should have one or not.

 

Also the exhaust obviously does not line up in your experiance what is the best way around this

 

cheers, will

 

you should have a flywheel sensor. the ecu uses it to determine the firing sequence amongst other things.

 

theres various ways of making the exhaust fit when doing an mi16 conversion, reangling the manifold, an reanglling plate (available from qep) or you could length the bottom mount slightly.

 

is it the downpipe that wont mate up to the manifold?

[thefame 0]

Hi, ive recently fitted a g reg mi16 from a bx in my 205 and have been quite sucessful beating the brick walls so far.

 

I am using the loom from the bx and have just realised there is no flywheel timing sensor. I would be very grateful if someone could tell me if i should have one or not.

 

Also the exhaust obviously does not line up in your experiance what is the best way around this

 

cheers, will

 

 

 

 

yes m8 there should be a fly wheel sensor to be blut i'll also give u this number for a pal of mine that sells reangle plates so u can run the standard manifold which is alot better than chopping it about the place is called automotive engineering the blokes name is nick watling the number is 01444 236974 the best thing is its only in burgess hill west sussex so not far from yourself m8

[Ethos 0]

I found I needed a re-angled exhaust manifold and the exhaust shortened a few inches...

[thefame 0]

I found I needed a re-angled exhaust manifold and the exhaust shortened a few inches...

 

 

or have been told that the s16 standard manifold clears straight away no issues but thats what i heard how true it is im unsure?

[jerseypug 1]

i have just beaten the bulkhead about an inch and the standard exhaust fits lovely to the mi16 manifold. i wouldnt do it to a mint car, ive done it on rally cars that take a pounding and never had a problem.

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

No the S16 manifold does not fit as it's cast and the bolt holes are in the wrong places, They do fit direct to a std D/P when fitting the iron blocked S16 engine thou

But on topic, Bashing the bulkhead is a bodge and leads to rust quite quickly due to the heat etc, The angle plates are the cheapest option but as said the D/P needs trimming down to suit or the 4-2-1 manifold which is a direct fit without any mods at all

[unariciflocos 49 1 Cars]

i have just beaten the bulkhead about an inch and the standard exhaust fits lovely to the mi16 manifold. i wouldnt do it to a mint car, ive done it on rally cars that take a pounding and never had a problem.

 

Agreed, get the hammer, that's what I did.

[GLPoomobile 958]

I can't believe the 205 community seems to have gone full circle and we are now back to the 1990s, when people thought it was acceptable to bash in the bulkhead (or tilt the engine, as it also seems to get mentioned still)

 

Fine, I guess, on a rally car that is going to get punished. Anything else (even track cars that get stripped out will often get sold on and restored) should be approached with some consideration to preserving the shell.

Edited March 9, 2009 by GLPoomobile

[hexhamstu 9]

I can't believe the 205 community seems to have gone full circle and we are now back to the 1990s, when people thought it was acceptable to bash in the bulkhead (or tilt the engine, as it also seems to get mentioned still)

 

Fine, I guess, on a rally car that is going to get punished. Anything else (even track cars that get stripped out will often get sold on and restored) should be approached with some consideration to preserving the shell.

yeah i think its madness that people are suggesting that smashing the bulk head in is a good idea. its going to rust and cause a bigger head ache than just buying an angled spacer.

[Baz 421]

If you've seen the state of a 205 that had the bulkhead bashed for clearance a few years before you'd change your mind about doing it...

[trialster 0]

i chopped the pipes off my flange, angled the pipes then welded them back on, easy

[porter_bmx 0]

i bought a longman 4 branch manifold, from maniflow. the most expensive option but you gian more from it if you decided to uprate the engine at a later date. will fit in with no problems.

Edited March 9, 2009 by porter_bmx

[maxi 36 1 Cars]

I can't believe the 205 community seems to have gone full circle and we are now back to the 1990s, when people thought it was acceptable to bash in the bulkhead (or tilt the engine, as it also seems to get mentioned still)

 

Fine, I guess, on a rally car that is going to get punished. Anything else (even track cars that get stripped out will often get sold on and restored) should be approached with some consideration to preserving the shell.

 

 

The problem is we now have a new community on here and the same old arguments rear their ugly heads.........

 

To be honest im suprised there are any 1.9 Mi16's left. Id love to get my hands on a complete BX and convert a minter, just for old times sake!

 

The management setup should definately have a CAS (crank sensor). Dont beat the bulhead or tilt the engine, as the conversion (car and engine will not last as a result). AMS in Burgess Hill sell the angling plates for the exhaust manifolds, easiest and best solution. The standard downpipe will need to be shortened and the flange welded back on at an angle to meet up to the manifold, it sounds worse than it is!

 

If you were undertaking an S16 conversion, the cast manifold does not require any modification. This is completely irrelevant to your topic though.

 

Maxi

[welshpug 1,661]

Strange that everyone says the S16 doesn't need any modification, my one experience of it had the manifold hitting the bulkhead and not fitting the standard 205 flange.

 

I checked the manifold against one on my spare dead engine and it was identical, simply too large a diameter

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

Simple answer to bashing the bulkhead 'is what would you think if you saw it on a car that you where buying' Makes the car almost worthless if you do that

 

There are pro's and con's to it all

 

Re-angle plate's can leak due to the 3 join's at the head (But leaves the manifold replaceable)

 

Welded manifolds can crack as do std one's

 

Both are a pain to remove due to the position of the nut's and need D/P mod's

 

4-2-1, Easy to fit and remove + More power and torque, Only thing against is cost but saves allot of time and hassle.

[Guest milky_p]

cheers 4 the help guys not a chance im bashing it though. angled plate it is little ball ache but ill cope.

 

bring on the wiring.

[Cloverleaf 1]

Got my angle plate from QEP, not exactly cheap but it's well made and cheaper than the 4 branch as people have said.

 

Don't forget you'll need 2 gaskets....