205 With Air Conditioning?

[bouver 0]

Hi everyone.

 

I am new to this forum, long time 205 fan though!

On e bay last night i noticed an air conditioning set up for a 205!

This is a new one on me and i was wondering if any of you lot have ever heard of it? What would be involved in fitting it to my car?

 

I look forward to your responces

 

Kind regards, Simon

[AndyJ 1]

Some did come with air-con (and heated seats!), i dont know which ones had it as standard/option, but im sure others do

[Ryan 99]

Afaik the only UK model that had it as standard was the 1FM. It was available as an option on ordinary GTIs, but only for the last couple of years of production (1992ish onwards?), and was pretty expensive. It was standard in some hotter countries though - Australia and Japan, and probably others too.

 

Fitting it is a pretty involved job, but doable assuming all the parts are there. You have to take the dash out to replace the heater box, mount the pump and radiator, fit the pipework, plus the wiring.

Edited February 27, 2009 by Ryan

[brian j 32]

My 1991 Car has it. I think it was a ph2 (1991 onward) option.

 

While fitting it is not going to be easy, looking at where the pipes route in the engine bay, it is not as hideous a job as you might think. I think that the biggest hassle is pulling the dash out to fit the evaporator into the heater box.

 

Make sure it is all there though if you buy a kit, because the parts are *EXPENSIVE* from Pug...

[one-lady-owner 1]

My GTi has Air con, its a button next to the hazard warning light in the following photo. again its a phase 2 gti.

[Roman 0]

yep phase 2 and it's optional- Australia and other polar country - standard equipment

[Simes 248 2 Cars]

you may want to contact Super Josh as he's retro fitted it to his 205Mi16.

[Dan@bar 0]

There's a complete air con system for sale on ebay currently at £100 with 35hrs to go.

 

I had a bit of a look into this when I first got my Pug and would go for this now if I wasn't about to sell it.

 

Check it out though 205 air con system

[Henry Yorke 269 3 Cars]

I don't think you can get the original gas now as it is not environmentally friendly, but if you put the latest gas in, then I believe you need to change all the seals.

[Ryan 99]

I don't think you can get the original gas now as it is not environmentally friendly, but if you put the latest gas in, then I believe you need to change all the seals.

 

The seals will need changing anyway as they're not re-usable. The drier canister will also need replacing as it's a service item.

 

There are replacement gases available for refilling older systems, or you can use the newer gas if you change the pressure switch for one from a newer pug (306 switch is a straight swap), and change the oil in the compressor.

[engine killer 6]

all 205s in Hong Kong came with air-con.

 

when you comparing the gases (refrigerant) old and new, compressor, hoses and seals are the most important you have to take serious care. you should be able to source the old gas (refrigerant #12) somewhere because you still have old cars with a/c equipped.

 

the air con will make your car 10-15kg more heavier. and when it is on, about 5-10 bhp lose.

[guffe 2]

Anyone know where could I source a radiator from an air-conned GTI? A new one from Nissens would cost about twice as much as a regular non-air con one...

[Ryan 99]

I'm not sure how much difference there is really. Looking at the Nissans catalogue it looks like they're the same size, except the non-aircon radiator doesn't have the filler on it.

[brian j 32]

I'm not sure how much difference there is really. Looking at the Nissans catalogue it looks like they're the same size, except the non-aircon radiator doesn't have the filler on it.

 

I think it may be the same as an XS or a 1.6 Auto rad. Certainly it has the filler cap on the end tank, accessed through the hole in the slam panel.

[Super Josh 4]

It's about 20mm shorter, because the rad is mounted about 20mm higher in the car to clear the compressor. Then those funny sprongs hold it in place as normal

 

 

 

Josh

[joe1joe 3]

old gas is r12, and new is r143a and well dont think thers a problem with swaping gases, new reciver dryer best as should be left long with system disconected 4 long, but a gd amount of time might sort it on the ac vacum... and well the oil in the system makes the seals swell which is why systems often loses gases wen not used, as the seals shrink. might get away with using old seals lol, best to replace realy tho.

[JackTar 0]

I've got a CTi and am wondering if it is worth the hassle fitting aircon to it as I have a system available. I know it sounds daft but sometimes when the roof is up its redders inside. Would you need to change the wiring loom as well? Also, having read the (not useful) haynes guide ref Aircon it states that care must be taken when undoing pipes/unions etc, problem is - which ones or do they mean all of them?

 

So what do you think - worth doing or should I give it a damn good ignoring?

[Henry Yorke 269 3 Cars]

It is a pretty involved job to retrofit successfully. A lot of CTI's do have it if they are automatic. Remember it isn't climate control either, it is approx a 28 year old system design

[JackTar 0]

Thanks Henry, had another look under the bonnet of my source car and you're right - it's a right snakes wedding of pipes etc. They don't make it easy do they!

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

Not that bad on them really, The pipes are allot easier to access than on the 306

[Ryan 99]

The 205 system is actually quite basic compared to a lot of cars. The main problem is making sure you've got all the bits. If you've got a complete donor car then it's just a case of swapping everything over, but if you're buying just the A/C stuff then you need to triple check it's all there as some if it isn't easy to get hold of separately.